Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting. Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia, considering previous aid has yet to end the war. “What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians, and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict. The thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”
“Look, Russia will stop fighting if Ukraine just gives up the two ‘contested’ provinces.”
“Okay, Ukraine gave them up, but Russia now says it only wants these three more.”
“Look, Russia is being very reasonable. They will stop all the fighting and even allow Ukraine to join NATO if they just get these five provinces.”
“Ukraine is just a tiny country now. They might as well submit to Russian rule.”
“Russia just wants this one tiny province in Poland. Is that really worth starting WW3 over?!!!”
“France needs to accept that American Colonies will ‘cede some territory’ to Great Britain” Nobody could ever overpower the British Navy.
“We just need to accept that the Sovjet Union will cede some territory to Nazi Germany, the Wehrmacht just can’t be overpowered.”
“We should just let Japan have Hawaii. What more could they do?”
“Taiwan belonged to them anyway. Let China (PRC) have it.”
Whatever happened to the Roman Empire? Mesopotamia could use some aqueducts.
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
The problem is that if you reward Putin for his efforts, you only empower him and dictators like China and Iran. China will go after Taiwan, and Iran will go after Syria.
Because after all, they don’t have to beat the US military, or even war exhaustion from the people. He just has to outlast the greed of the American Senators.
Which compared to the 800 billion we spend on the military, or the $300,000 you can bribe a senator. It would seem that Russia has chosen the more economic approach.
Not to mention that public opinion in Russia is changing too…we had the advantage long term. We have half of the world’s resources not to say even more…
The killing would stop if Russia simply withdrew. But the Republicans never mention that as an option. Funny that.
Article 5 is just a suggestion
No we fucking don’t. If putin gets anything he wanted he’ll do it again
Putin has arguably already had a large chunk of what he wanted since 2014. There’s been so much time to not only reinforce Crimea and Donbas militarily, but also to change the population makeup by moving in thousands of Russian families.
I hate Putin as much as the next rational human being, but even a pro-Ukraine perspective has to reconcile with the fact that some of these formerly Ukrainian lands are now populated by a large majority in favour of being part of Russia. Even if Ukraine could gain full military control over these areas, it wouldn’t magically get rid of the separatists.
It brings up the difficult question of where to draw the line between ethnic cleansing and expelling foreign invaders. Personally I think expelling recently-settled Russians from occupied Ukraine would be a reasonable thing to do, but the longer the territory remains occupied, the harder is to justify.
The Eastern part of the country has been pro-Russia for a long time. I don’t know if it’s even a good idea to try to force them to stay part of Ukraine. Doesn’t justify the invasion, of course.
“Bullies get what they want and there’s nothing we can do about it”
“We like bullies because we want to be like them”
how 'bout no
and we give them more weapons to stop this nonsense
Genius! Can’t believe Vancy Pants didn’t think of that! I guess hearing is difficult when your head is up Russias anus as far his is.
Look! A republican waving the flag of surrender. What a fucking coward. He’s not from my state and I’m still embarrassed that he is in Congress.
Hey Vance… STFU you weak spined russian apologist…
He picked up a message on his morning jog at the usual dead drop. It said “announce that Ukraine will need to cede some territory to Russia”
They don’t need a dead drop. Republicans just collaborate with facist authoritarians way out in the open. Their base either doesn’t care, makes excuses for them, or actively root for a christofacist dictatorship to take over and destroy democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/10/hungary-viktor-orban-republicans-ukraine-aid
He wasn’t a senator at the time so JD Vance wasn’t on the infamous republican 4th of July trip to meet with putin.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395719-gop-senators-visited-moscow-on-july-4/
Oh but what’s this? His companies helping to spread Russian propaganda? Wow, it’s always the ones you most suspect.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/politics/jd-vance-peter-thiel-rumble.html
There has to be a website that connects all the dots for this. Like some kind of pin board with photos and yarn you see in detective movies.
And by “some territory,” he means “everything between Russia and Poland.”
Plus a bit of Poland…
“Some Paczkis sound so good right now comrade, we have no choice but to invade so we may liberate them.”
Worthless republican traitor.
What a spineless traitor to humanity.
He’s a Republican. But I repeat you.
We accepted it in 2014, when Russia took Crimea, hoping that would satiate their dreams of the Soviet Empire and here we are nearly 10 years later. The Russian government does not act in good faith, and if we don’t crush their capability to wage war we’ll see them try to take the rest of Ukraine and beyond.
These guys may as well be the modern day equivalent of Neville Chamberlain.
The one sure way to end the fighting is to fund Ukraine’s defense. When the right defunded Ukraine’s defense, they didn’t do it to promote peace, they did it to advance the interests of their allies (that is, Putin).
The reality of ‘ending the fighting’ is going to mean the violence will continue in the territory Russia controls, even after the ‘hostilities’ as such are ended. When Russia gains some territory, the russification of that territory involves punishing the people there for not having surrendered more quickly, liquidating institutions of local culture and replacing them with Russian ones, the separation of families, the internal displacement of locals on trips to the far east that many won’t survive, the ‘political reeducation’ camps, etc.
When US politicians try to pass off enabling a certain genocide as an ‘end to hostilities’ or in anodyne terms like ‘cede some territory’, don’t let them do it. They’re not acquiescing to the inevitable, they’re actively partnering in genocide.
