It’s crazy to think this all could have been avoided if Biden just kept his word and let us have an actual primary where Kamala predicably would have lost early on.
Instead we got a half assed bait and switch for the worst polling candidate possible. I swear she was picked because she was the cheapest corpo money could buy.
The DNC needs to be dissolved because they keep picking loser corporate stooges that nobody likes in the belief that they can just AstroTurf and gaslight their way to popularity.
Everyone seems to conveniently forget the fact that the only one that was legally entitled to any of the money raised for Biden’s campaign, over like 3 years of fundraising, was Kamala because she was on the ticket.
Restarting the fundraising process from scratch, after even just a 14-21 day primary process that would somehow also be built out of nowhere, would have meant whoever secured any nomination would have easily been outspent by a mile. They would have had no funds to even campaign on. It probably would have locked all the money that was already donated up too, considering that it would take quite some time to refund all of that money; figure out who was owed what exactly based on what hadnt been spent yet, etc…
Like what the fuck else did anyone expect to reasonably happen? It was stupid for Biden to ever say they could even have had a primary. The real promise he should have stuck to was when he claimed he would only be a one term president years beforehand
Lol, so that is how we decide presidential nominees now? Who has the money backing…
Agree - but bad take
Hasn’t that always been the case?
I don’t really recall all the rules, but you’re right that she was the only one entitled to it legally. However, I’m pretty sure other pacs can run ads for other candidates. For example, you’ll sometimes see democrat or republican ads for spoiler candidates. There’s surely still a way it could be used to benefit whoever the democratic candidate was. IANAL though.
And she still probably have won if she’d stuck with the campaign she was running at the start, rather than ditching it to pivot right
What, Liz Cheney wasn’t good enough for you?? 🙃 Seriously, that’s when i knew we were sunk. What a fucking disaster
She also got the Clintons to campaign for her; HRC went down to Florida and Bill went to Michigan, where he defended Israel to Muslim and Arab-American voters that Harris was ostensibly trying to win over.
lol
Would love to kick the DNC to the curb but at the beginning of this year everyone top to bottom was replaced. It is malleable and we need to change it to finally be progressive and actual leftist party for the people.
She was the cheapest option. Literally look at the other person talking about how they were the only candidate that could use Bidens money so as to immediately have the millions already invested by big pockets and a candidate they could know they could pay for.
She outraised trump and still lost. We didn’t have a primary because the party didn’t want someone who might not support genocide.
If Biden died rather than step aside who would have been the candidate? It would be Harris as that is who was selected by the states that ran democratic primaries at that point.
Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn’t a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn’t have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn’t have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn’t just another dogshit neolib.
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Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.
Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.
Sorry I double responded, I meant to reply to another commenter and left it here by accident.
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Although she definitely more left leaning than Biden.
She ran to biden’s right. biden never promised to put a republican on his cabinet. He never campaigned with cheneys.
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None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
She would have lost, even by the DNC’s own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with “too late for a primary” and “can’t adjust voter law” is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren’t even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
Your question isn’t relevant to what actually happened because it’s an entirely different hypothetical situation.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It’s literally not. That’s not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it’s really not
Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.
There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.
Where exactly is she shaken?
I only see her standing up for a splitsecond and then a smirk at the end.
That smirk makes me unreasonably angry. That protester was 100% correct, and there’s zero self-reflection. She’s out there flogging her books when she should be mounting an opposition.
I know this is very very old news / old man yells at clouds but,
Couldn’t you just slap “visibly shaken” onto fucking anything? Headlines suck
No doubt. Every other day there’s something claiming that dtRump has gone “off the rails” or is “having a meltdown”. Or Stephen Miller. Or Musk.
Show proof, clickbait-whoring pimps.
This video showed no proof. Pretty much the opposite of what was stated in the headline.
Protestor interrupts Kamala pimping her book with accusations of right wing genocide & responsibility for getting Trump in office, she replies with a smirk
Would that be a more accurate header?
I think so.
Looks pretty shaken to me
I think I just expect shaken in a non-angry way. And maybe more than 5 frames.
Ah yes - a shaken face.
Shaken, but not stirred.
Isn’t that just “hey security get the screaming lady” face?
Gotta sensationalize everything to get those updoots!
She’s on pills I didn’t believe the headline for a second
You unconditionally support a genocide for just two years and suddenly you’re a “war criminal.” So much for the tolerant left.
Just two years? How long has she been in politics? It’s much longer than that.
How much power do you think VPOTUS has over Israeli policy?
She had complete control over her own campaign platform, where she chose to be in lockstep with Biden.
This. It’s up to the politician to build a platform that gets as many votes as possible. The DNC and Harris choose to ignore their base, shout down the Muslim vote, and took more money from special interests groups than Republicans.
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Enough to have a backbone? To stand on morality? No one made her back genicide. Like the fuck we talking about?
Nothing you said answers the question. What specific actions do you think Harris can take as VP to stop what POTUS is intending to do?
It doesn’t matter. Even more so the less power she had to change the situation. All she had to do while vp was say was I don’t support, agreed with, nor play a part in the genicide happening in Palestine. She could have said during the campaign that she would stop all weapons going to Isreal and that she’d hand over anyone that helped kill innocent people. She has nothing to lose. Her silence proved she wasn’t ready to be president. If she can’t stand up to special interest groups with no real skin in the game, do you think she’ll magically gain morality once in power? And additionally, what a dumb political move that is ultimately! Not a single vote was gained by backing Isreal, because Republicans were going to back them anyways. Pro genicide people aren’t going to vote Democrat, full stop. She was more afraid of losing money rather than the election.
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Right in the middle
OK, so you live here. Do you need me to provide evidence for the widespread support for Israel among the voting population?
Good for that protestor. Look at that dumb smug bribe-taking loser smiling on stage. What a waste.
“We have four years of Trump!”
I guess it’s good to see that someone is still an optimist.
She didn’t and as far as I know hasn’t called it a genocide yet.
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign. (regardless of whether anyone thinks it should have been that way or not, IMO that was the death blow)
She presided over the US senate and cannot be dismissed by the president, how did she have “basically no power”???
Agreed…Also, if she had no power and is not responsible for anything Bidens government did, how is she at all capable of doing the job of the president? her qualifications were that she was a fly on the wall and observed others, but didnt participate in any meaningful way, huh. She simultaneously blameless and had no power, but also the most experienced, most qualified to do the job and the only one the DNC could possibly put up against trump. What a fuckin joke of a party.
💯 so sick of hearing about small beans uwu bomber harris
she’s just a girl 💅
It’s the same for every VP, not just her. POTUS makes the final decision. VP can’t override it.
Smallbean VP. Second-in-Command of the US.
Obviously, as I said, I’m talking about power to decide policy. The VP (as it has been for all of them, not just her) can advise, try to persuade, but it’s the POTUS who makes the final decisions.
The VP can’t override the POTUS on anything. That’s just a fact.
There are lots of replies conflating that fact with the positions she took during her campaign. She was obviously totally responsible for positions she took in the campaign. I’m not sure Trump wouldn’t have still won no matter what positions she took, but we’ll never know. Point is, she took the positions she did, and she lost.
That and saying we will have the most lethal military. Plus we want trump and gops immigration policies
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
The POTUS didn’t dictate her positions during the campaign. Stop making excuses just because she supported genocide for you.
Yeah, she was going to become a war criminal, but the voters let her down.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign.
iirc her campaign said “the Biden people” demanded she say that.
Then it wasn’t her campaign.
That was “the Biden people”’s point, yeah.
She wasn’t required to listen to the biden people. The biden people hid his mental decline until it was too late. Their political instincts are runny dogshit just like their entire wing of the party.
So either she should have not made that promise or she should have broken it. Easy enough. It’s not like she didn’t know what was on the line.
I think that’s a hindsight sort of thing. Of course she should have. But we all know the answer.
WE HAVE ACTUAL RIGHT WING WAR CRIMINALS DOING WAR CRIMES RIGHT NOW, BUT YES, PLEASE YELL AT THE ONE PERSON WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY FUCKALL TO DO WITH IT AFTER ALL OF YOU TOLD HER THE CURRENT WAR CRIMINALS WILL DO A BETTER JOB.
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I highly doubt Kamala would be using $100k missiles to kill venezuelan fisherman.
The woman who advocated for “the most lethal fighting force in the world” and boasted of Liz Cheneys support? Yeah she would have just gotten everything in place for the next republican to do instead. Like Biden did with the border camps and ICE.
Oh don’t get me wrong, shed have found ways to be evil, I just don’t think she’d specifically do that.
It’s neat how it was either vote for not-trump or get trump, and so many haters loved them some trump.
it was better to abstain from voting or vote 3rd party than vote Harris because the Biden admin supported Israel because it legitimized the electoral system without affecting the outcome.
Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick
why is this homophobic trope still being played like it’s a major own of fascists??
But sure hope you feel great about not voting for Harris so we could get someone objectively worse on all fronts, including the Israel / Palestine conflict.
Please tell me in what ways the Trump admin was worse than the Biden admin on Palestine. Like an actual example.
I’m fairly certain the president of the worlds largest settler colonial empire knew what its pet settler colony was planning on doing after the genocide.
Edit: bulldozers where in gaza pretty much day one
But did he propose it? Did he actually go up and say he wants Gaza cleared out with a Biden resort in its place? Did he share an AI video of gaudy gold statues and bikini clad women on the beach?
I agree that Biden’s stance on Israel/Palestine was terrible but Trump is clearly doing and saying these things out of greed and personal enrichment without any regard for human rights.
Edit: not entertaining any more replies from bad faith arguments. I agree with the fundamental truth that Biden is a centrist and had a large part in Trump becoming president again but the additional minutae re: Gaza is what foreign actors like Russia really want most of all - to splinter the left even more than it already is. We can’t let perfection get in the way of progress. We’ll just continue to sit here and bicker amongst each other while Republicans continue to steamroll everyone, including Palestinians.
So your problem is merely the optics? That biden had better optics for his support of genocide? That makes him better how??
Like he knew fully well what the endgame was and didn’t flinch, but I guess he wasn’t as gauche as boasting about how he personally profits from it…
…Man, if I didn’t know better I’d assume this post was satire.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries. Or, so I am reliably informed here. Regularly. Like, constantly.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries
It means “genocidal monster” here now.
It means a terrible thing in every country
Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick
You.
Nah, Netanyahu makes me ashamed of my Jewish heritage, the whole state of Israel and what it has been doing really does tbh. They’re probably literally making people antisemitic since they try to conflate that with being anti Israel even though it’s squarely separate.
Would be like saying people criticizing the USA are anti Christian or something along those lines.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Him too. But he’s not on this thread being a simp for netanyahu. You are.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost. Part of the reason Harris lost was people not voting for the Dem candidate and actively helping a person who has an even worse track record on Israeli-Palestinian relations win the office of the president.
It makes no sense. It’s like not voting to have a golf ball put up your ass so the pineapple can get shoved up there instead.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost.
then you should be upset that she supported genocide, Instead you’re mad at the people who told you she would lose if she supported genocide.
Because they were right.
IF YOU THINK TYPING IN ALL CAPS WILL MAKE PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOU, YOU ARE INCORRECT.
AND YOU SAY HARRIS WAS THE “ONE PERSON” HUH. I DONT THINK YOU COUNT VERY WELL.Do you remember that she was never in charge of anything except babysitting Congress?
Yup. These are the chucklefucks who handed Trump the presidency. Now they want to scream at everyone else, but themselves. Embarrassing.
i mean you lay down with dick cheney you get up with war crimes knowwhatimean?
People like Biden and Harris and Obama and the Clintons are leading us down the road of complacence to the fundamental problems that are destroying us. They deserve nothing but derision and scorn. This is the test of our time. The future is with, in so much as it can be “with” politics, people like Mamdani and Platner. If you are against these policy proposals and against the culture of these campaigns, you are against progressive politics and you are against rational governance.
If you’re against these campaigns you can go fuck yourself right to hell, and you will be written into history accordingly.
There is absolutely no reason to cast out Trump, Vance, Johnson, and Miller if we don’t also cast out Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Jeffries. The old Democratic guard is committed to just leading us right back to where we are now.
Graham “Forgot to mention I was a Blackwater mercenary” Platner is definitely not it.
Zohran is also starting to become a letdown.
Misread it as “Hideo Kojima” at first and was confused.
What an incredible disappointment of generational proportion she was.
I always thought AIPAC bribes were kinda cheap, but then when you compare it to other lobbying groups and even bribes for spies, that’s just an excellent deal on Israel’s part.
They can literally buy almost any politician, and they’ll defend Israel to the death even after the stakes have dropped to zero. She’s not running for 2028, has practically nothing to lose except money, but still defends probably one of the worst Democratic campaigns for decades.
The worst part about aipac is that were fucking funding it.
Good.
She’s just mad they called her right wing. She prefers being called a centrist war criminal
