• krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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    If you’re not using Hannah Montana Linux you should just go eat poison and save the Linux community from your existence.

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    I play Roblox with my son using Linux. The program is called Sober and it’s more than fine, it’s free, and updated regularly when Roblox security/program updates.

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      Similar boat… 4 years ago (or so) that is all my kid wanted. For those who care, Roblox purposely blocked Linux, there is nothing inherent in the OS that would make Roblox not run.

      Took a bit of config but managed and my kid was able to play that garbage for a few months until the novelty wore off

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        It’s the only piece of consumer software I’ve ever used that I straight-up thought should be illegal after I tried it. If you’re a parent, and you’re wondering if you should let your child explore Roblox: DON’T. Ban any videos that mention Roblox from their apps, do not install the game, and do not ever give that company a single cent. The entire structure is designed to torment children and yank on their psychological levers until they beg their parents to buy them in-game currency to turn their low-low into a high-high for a couple of minutes, then restart the cycle.

        There are VIP areas that you have to have a subscription (pay) to go into, and devs are incentivized to add them by kickbacks, so they show up in just about every game. In competitive games where you chase other players to catch them, if you don’t have VIP the other players can literally just go through a wall you can’t pass to get away. Then they can get boosts in the VIP area to get an unfair advantage.

        There’s the “revenge” buttons, where if someone in a competitive game wins against you, it gives you a button you can click to to punish the other player in various ways. Naturally, it costs real money.

        Obstacle courses start out decent, but once you’re far enough in that the sunk cost fallacy is in effect, it ramps the difficulty up massively and frustrates you over and over. And each time you respawn it makes you walk past the item you can buy that will make this frustrating part disappear and get you back to the nice dopamine hits like you had earlier in the map.

        And of course, every game tries to make people who buy the pay-to-win items as visible as possible, and make it look as spectacular as possible. It’s masterful psychological manipulation, and while the games with these exploitative systems are made by devs external to Roblox itself, the economy and reward systems that shaped those games is defined by Roblox. It’s actually worse that you have external devs, because it insulates Roblox from the responsibility for these exploitative mechanics, while Roblox acts as the bank you use to buy currency for the games. Roblox only cares about money, and they don’t care how many abusive things their games have to do to kids to get it.

        I’m about as far from a pearl-clutcher as you can get while still being a responsible parent, but even before considering that the social features are repeatedly being used to groom children, Roblox simply should not be allowed to exist. Play Goat Simulator 3 with your kid instead. Or Minecraft. Or Terraria. A Lego game. Bayonetta. I don’t care–anything but Roblox.

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          Gotta get them started early on the capitalism train. Prove to them that money makes right.

          If you can buy it, it’s morally good! :)

          If it doesn’t make a profit, it’s morally bad! :(

          If you can’t get exactly what you want, don’t work for it, just buy it.

          Money is the only thing you need. You don’t need friends. Or family. Or a community. You see they are all just trying to get your money!

          Seriously, we are brainwashing people with these fucked up game mechanics. These are very young impressionable children.

          All of this is ignoring that pedophillic aspect of Roblox which is also horrific.

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        How Warcraft 3 is exploiting young game developers.

        How Starcraft: Brood War is taking adavantage of free labor

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      As a similarly old curmudgeon, my understanding is that it’s like Second Life, but with the ability for users to create whole-ass games. And (hopefully) less cybersex considering the primary audience is underage

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        Unfortunately, whole ass-games are very much present on Roblox (they’re so common there’s a six-letter word for them which I won’t repeat in this SFW community).

      • To get items in Roblox for a relative, I used to pretend to be a child and find users who would groom me. They were entirely unaware that I was quite probably older than they were. I saved hundreds of dollars on gifts, and it didn’t cost me all that much time. Roblox is not safe for kids

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          I play online with my son and have never ever seen that. It’s almost all tower defense games which would be a different crowd.

          What games were you playing that had that kind of chat going on?

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            Ninja something, muscle something, and a game that looked a bit like prototype. All incremental games. As you can tell, I wasn’t particularly invested in them. I don’t imagine you or your son begged in global chat for several minutes at a time with intentional spelling errors.

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        It’s not second life at all. It’s a game platform like Steam. But they made it super easy so kids starting coding their own games.

        Back in the 80’s there were computer magazines that would post BASIC code you could type in and play a simple game. Kids would mail in their code and it would be published. Same exploitation of child labor.

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    Is there no way to play roblox currently? I thought there was a launcher that did weird stuff to the android version like we have for minecraft bedrock

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      Yes, it’s called Sober. It is not official, and may lose functionality at any time due to updates to client-side anti-cheat.

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        My kids use it almost daily. Really only breaks for special events. Otherwise an update fixes all other issues.

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          Yeah, what’s that about? Events like The Hunt and I’m completely locked out. Sober just puts a “totally normal, Roblox did this, and we’re sorry” message up but I’ve never know the why.

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            My teenage daughter who will probably never try crack because she has Roblox instead gets deep into this stuff. She said that the developers of Sober disabled it for “The Hunt” voluntarily just to avoid drawing any ire from the Roblox developers since they’re vaguely aware of Sober’s existence and I guess tolerate it as long as it isn’t causing problems for them. If anyone was accused of using Sober to cheat during such a high profile event it would be bad news for them.

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        I don’t see how Roblox is any worse than every other platform. If a child makes an app and puts it on Steam, Steam takes 30%. If a kid makes a YouTube channel, YouTube takes their cut of ad revenue.

        Roblox made it easy enough to code that it got kids excited to write their own games. If any other game platform made it as easy, they’d have the same “child exploitation” problem.

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          Roblox didn’t just “make it easy”, it’s their entire business model, which is the problem. Watch the videos. The discussion isn’t about how much of a percentage Roblox takes, it’s about how kids basically get pressured to work in digital sweatshops to create the content which is what Roblox sells.

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          A lot of it deals with the fact that Roblox doesn’t pay you out until you accrue some critical mass of value. If a kid makes an app and puts it on Steam and it sells 2 copies, they’re getting paid for those 2 copies. Not so for Roblox. You require 30,000 Robux to cash out - which seems to be quite a lot, actually, considering the documentation I’m reading on their own webpage advertises this with photos that show 97,493 total Robux earnings from this presumably rock-star developer that you want to be like, and buyable items costing between 80-600 Robux.

          It should also be noted that I cannot locate any mention of a dollars-to-Robux ratio without an account, which I do not have and am not making, so God only knows what rate they actually pay you out at once you do manage to acquire your 30,000 Robux. The primary use case of earned Robux is to then invest them back into the in-game shop to purchase content that other users have made. Robux actively doesn’t want you cashing out and makes it as difficult as possible to do so.

          I’m personally not too upset about a game primarily made from user created content, I think it’s kind of cool, but the way they’ve tied real money into the process feels very icky and scumbaggish to me. My particular issue with Roblox is the rampant pedophilia and sexual grooming that the devs are either unwilling to alienate (since, presumably, this population makes up a not-insignificant percentage of their user base) or else actively in cahoots with, because this has been a known problem for many years but approximately zero steps have been taken to address it.

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            A lot of it deals with the fact that Roblox doesn’t pay you out until you accrue some critical mass of value.

            Isn’t that how YouTube works?

            I googled and 30k robux is $109.

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            This post is crazy misinformed besides the 30k robux thing. Here’s a calculator for robux conversions:
            https://romonitorstats.com/devex-calculator/. The DevEx program is whack but I think it pays better than Spotify.

            You can make quite a lot. Look at Creatures of Sonoria. The real issue with Roblox is the zero age controls. Putting pedophiles right next to children since like 2003.

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    I thought for a sec this was calvinandhobbes@lemmy.world, anyone knows what happened to it? It’s been a week since the bot posted something there