To me, it’s not necessarily people climbing it that’s the issue. It’s that some people have so little respect for everyone and everything that they’re perfectly content to use the world as their own personal trash can.
I shit you not, I recently chewed some lady out on the hiking trail 2 miles from my house because she chucked the plastic bowl and spoon from her lunch off into the woods, in front of God and everybody like it’s just no big deal. Well it’s a big fucking deal to me.
And if a person can’t manage to go on a hike or scale a mountain without leaving their garbage behind like a slob, then they should stay home.
Leaving several pounds of trash can easily be the difference in making it down alive. Read *Into Thin Air". If the way up doesn’t kill you, getting back down is far more dangerous.
Then don’t do that thing, leave it where it can cleaned up by someone you paid to clean it up or only bring things where the trash you leave behind is environmentally friendly and can degrade naturally.
There is absolutely no valid reason you can give for this. You’re literally excusing hurting nature because someone decided to do something that they couldn’t handle, how does that make sense?
I’m not excusing a single thing, only stating a fact.
Lemmy sometimes makes me feel like I’m surrounded by small children or autists. My 12-yo daughter is autistic and even she has more social discernment than you fuckers.
“I don’t like your statement of fact! And I’m taking that statement to mean you love that fact! Fuck you!”
Saw a commenter get downvoted to hell for clearly stating someone else’s take on a thing. They made it clear they were explaining someone else’s stance.
If you like facts then you should know that “Autist” Is a rather controversial term in the autistic community, with many finding it dehumanising, and with a significant proportion of those who use it themselves doing so to “reclaim” it in an n-word-like “it’s okay when i say it, but not when you say it” way.
And if you really do have an autistic daughter, then you might want to do some internal reflection on why you think being “surrounded by […] autists” Is negative enough to use as an insult. Those kinds of attitudes can have negative impacts on children and can lead to internalised ableism. And if it’s not the kind of attitude you would show around her, then it’s worth asking yourself why not.
I dont think the debate is over whether you have to leave the garbage to do this hike; I think the argument is that because you HAVE to do that, this expedition should either be closed or more highly regulated. The amount of trash and bodies will just slowly accumulate, and it’s weird in today’s world of high tech gear to even claim summiting as a badge of honor. Sure it’s cool… but you have nothing on the folks that did it with limited knowledge and questionable gear in the early days.
To me, it’s not necessarily people climbing it that’s the issue. It’s that some people have so little respect for everyone and everything that they’re perfectly content to use the world as their own personal trash can.
I shit you not, I recently chewed some lady out on the hiking trail 2 miles from my house because she chucked the plastic bowl and spoon from her lunch off into the woods, in front of God and everybody like it’s just no big deal. Well it’s a big fucking deal to me.
And if a person can’t manage to go on a hike or scale a mountain without leaving their garbage behind like a slob, then they should stay home.
Leaving several pounds of trash can easily be the difference in making it down alive. Read *Into Thin Air". If the way up doesn’t kill you, getting back down is far more dangerous.
Then don’t do that thing, leave it where it can cleaned up by someone you paid to clean it up or only bring things where the trash you leave behind is environmentally friendly and can degrade naturally. There is absolutely no valid reason you can give for this. You’re literally excusing hurting nature because someone decided to do something that they couldn’t handle, how does that make sense?
I’m not excusing a single thing, only stating a fact.
Lemmy sometimes makes me feel like I’m surrounded by small children or autists. My 12-yo daughter is autistic and even she has more social discernment than you fuckers.
“I don’t like your statement of fact! And I’m taking that statement to mean you love that fact! Fuck you!”
Saw a commenter get downvoted to hell for clearly stating someone else’s take on a thing. They made it clear they were explaining someone else’s stance.
Lemmy: “Fuck you!”
If you like facts then you should know that “Autist” Is a rather controversial term in the autistic community, with many finding it dehumanising, and with a significant proportion of those who use it themselves doing so to “reclaim” it in an n-word-like “it’s okay when i say it, but not when you say it” way.
And if you really do have an autistic daughter, then you might want to do some internal reflection on why you think being “surrounded by […] autists” Is negative enough to use as an insult. Those kinds of attitudes can have negative impacts on children and can lead to internalised ableism. And if it’s not the kind of attitude you would show around her, then it’s worth asking yourself why not.
I dont think the debate is over whether you have to leave the garbage to do this hike; I think the argument is that because you HAVE to do that, this expedition should either be closed or more highly regulated. The amount of trash and bodies will just slowly accumulate, and it’s weird in today’s world of high tech gear to even claim summiting as a badge of honor. Sure it’s cool… but you have nothing on the folks that did it with limited knowledge and questionable gear in the early days.