There are many actions we need to do. Some of them are non violent. The main issue of concern, in my opinion, is getting all of the working class in solidarity. Without it, I doubt much can change.
is getting all of the working class in solidarity.
The right has successfully leveraged the desires of the left into tools to radicalize the right. Instead of butting heads with immovable dunces about people they simply don’t care about, we have to make a larger and more concerted effort to leverage this back to a class war.
No, I mean that you can GET all of us protected and restore our freedoms and social respect if we make sure the dumbest segment of the country is focused first and foremost on the idea that their tax money isn’t being used to help them. Simple Bernie-Book tactics that have proven successful because it’s unifying. Every other social issues branches off from that, so lets cut to the heart of our shared problem.
What we have to learn to handle better is when agitators climb into the discussion and say “But the leeeeffft also wants your tax money going into sex changes for immigrants in prison and litter boxes in schools!” and we have to learn to stop getting outraged by those kinds of claims and just shrug. Say “So?” and move the fuck back to why eggs are $14 a carton. I believe our problem isn’t that we’re trying to get basic human rights broadly, but that too many progressives are actually uncomfortable with what that entails and the defensiveness makes it seem like a shameful thing to want. Bullies sense it, they capitalize on it, they want you riled up and hateful.
Yes, but not all. Liberals like to blanket condemn anyone more militant than them, which given that they also tend to be “goes to a parade every six weeks” levels of militant means they condemn anyone doing anything useful.
I think this is a strawman not connected with reality.
I myself promote non violent protests, since they allow everyone to show their dissatisfaction, that includes seniors, parents, disabled, veterans etc. who would normally not attend them if it was about burning shit up.
I don’t criticize anyone who take action like the ICE protests, and I know those people put their neck on the line and I respect that.
Actually from videos that I see even those protests are peaceful and likely agitators are placed to stir shit up, sometimes they don’t even bother with that and police just attacks them for no reason.
I think this is a strawman not connected with reality.
I wish, but I’ve repeatedly seen people on r/50501 say things like “but we can’t give them an excuse to respond violently” get upvoted. It’s a depressingly popular sentiment on what should be a somewhat radical space.
Because that doesn’t contradict your previous statement, and also very true. If you, as you seem to be, promote violence as the first and only effective action, you will achieve nothing except you will get a lot of people killed. Violence should be measured, smart, not the first response.
If you permit me some bluntness, Americans, for all the talk they like to talk, are political virgins. They don’t understand the reason for protesting, and what differentiates a walk in the part from a political action. They don’t understand the nature of community and how it regards to politics. They don’t understand how the politicians are made and how elections work, they don’t have even semblance of a coherent idea of the better future. They only know guns, but like, in theory, they believe that if guns start shooting, something good will happen, despite constant evidence to the contrary, but there is no more thought behind that.
You’re not ready for violence, you don’t know how, when, and why to use it. Try to have a political movement that at least half of the country ever heard of, and which didn’t succumb to the infighting in the first week, then you can start thinking about how to use it.
Right now you have nothing, and no amount of fantasising about urban war will change it.
There are many actions we need to do. Some of them are non violent. The main issue of concern, in my opinion, is getting all of the working class in solidarity. Without it, I doubt much can change.
The right has successfully leveraged the desires of the left into tools to radicalize the right. Instead of butting heads with immovable dunces about people they simply don’t care about, we have to make a larger and more concerted effort to leverage this back to a class war.
I say this and people immediately assume I’m saying “capitulate on rights for marginalized groups” because ya’ll didn’t learn how to read in school and it’s keeping you from understanding nuance.
No, I mean that you can GET all of us protected and restore our freedoms and social respect if we make sure the dumbest segment of the country is focused first and foremost on the idea that their tax money isn’t being used to help them. Simple Bernie-Book tactics that have proven successful because it’s unifying. Every other social issues branches off from that, so lets cut to the heart of our shared problem.
What we have to learn to handle better is when agitators climb into the discussion and say “But the leeeeffft also wants your tax money going into sex changes for immigrants in prison and litter boxes in schools!” and we have to learn to stop getting outraged by those kinds of claims and just shrug. Say “So?” and move the fuck back to why eggs are $14 a carton. I believe our problem isn’t that we’re trying to get basic human rights broadly, but that too many progressives are actually uncomfortable with what that entails and the defensiveness makes it seem like a shameful thing to want. Bullies sense it, they capitalize on it, they want you riled up and hateful.
Yes, but not all. Liberals like to blanket condemn anyone more militant than them, which given that they also tend to be “goes to a parade every six weeks” levels of militant means they condemn anyone doing anything useful.
I think this is a strawman not connected with reality.
I myself promote non violent protests, since they allow everyone to show their dissatisfaction, that includes seniors, parents, disabled, veterans etc. who would normally not attend them if it was about burning shit up.
I don’t criticize anyone who take action like the ICE protests, and I know those people put their neck on the line and I respect that.
Actually from videos that I see even those protests are peaceful and likely agitators are placed to stir shit up, sometimes they don’t even bother with that and police just attacks them for no reason.
I wish, but I’ve repeatedly seen people on r/50501 say things like “but we can’t give them an excuse to respond violently” get upvoted. It’s a depressingly popular sentiment on what should be a somewhat radical space.
Because that doesn’t contradict your previous statement, and also very true. If you, as you seem to be, promote violence as the first and only effective action, you will achieve nothing except you will get a lot of people killed. Violence should be measured, smart, not the first response.
If you permit me some bluntness, Americans, for all the talk they like to talk, are political virgins. They don’t understand the reason for protesting, and what differentiates a walk in the part from a political action. They don’t understand the nature of community and how it regards to politics. They don’t understand how the politicians are made and how elections work, they don’t have even semblance of a coherent idea of the better future. They only know guns, but like, in theory, they believe that if guns start shooting, something good will happen, despite constant evidence to the contrary, but there is no more thought behind that.
You’re not ready for violence, you don’t know how, when, and why to use it. Try to have a political movement that at least half of the country ever heard of, and which didn’t succumb to the infighting in the first week, then you can start thinking about how to use it.
Right now you have nothing, and no amount of fantasising about urban war will change it.