Claim is ok, the unspoken “so everything will collapse” is bullshit. In the end, Hampton is right: “work (do what someone else wants) or starve” is not how anyone should live
No one is denying shit. We’re stating that our systems dont have to be based on coercion. It is possible to build a society off of cooperation instead. Denying that is denying that we made this shit up and it can be how we want.
I dont give a shit what most people think. Its a fact not an opinion. Our systems are built on coercion because we’re just making slight changes to them over time. Thats why they are that way. It has nothing to do with the thoughts that talking heads plant in the average Americans’ mind.
Edit: reading this after posting I would just like to clarify that I am not trying to be pointed or angry with you. It comes off that way tho. I really do mean we have the choice in how our societies operate.
Lol. Aren’t you cold there, at the peak of mount of scholarship?
It hasn’t been like this around Ramana Maharshi, just to point one name you can look into. And human life and possibility have never been about just sustaining body till it drops dead.
Oh, my little know-it-all, you say plenty of people have been living like that for plenty of time? Good catch, take a candy, good boy
How do you know it’s “due to slavery and violence” rather then “despite slavery and violence”? It seems more likely to me that civilisation is rooted in cooperation and solidarity, while slavery and violence is a cancer that grows on top of it, and hurts almost everyone involved.
You are talking about civilizations, but it seems to me that a more appropriate word would be “empires”, which in a sense is an antithesis of “civilization”. Most people around the world don’t have imperial aspirations, and yet they do live in civilized societies. That extends to most governments, today and historically. Perhaps peaceful societies leave less footprint. Empires need a lot of propaganda to justify their antisocial actions - things like monuments, colossal architecture, anthems, heroic poems. Naturally their spectacular violence attracts more of our attention. But I don’t think imperialism was ever a norm.
Cooperation was achieved at a gun point. There is no solidarity even in communist regimes.
That’s an assertion without any merit. Especially in oppressive regimes solidarity is what keeps society together. I understand that you are writing from USA, so I don’t blame you for this dark and cynical worldview. My impression from a safe distance is that breaking of basic and natural solidarity and voluntary cooperation is an intentional effort of a tiny class of imperialists in your country. They want you cynical, hopeless and alienated. Don’t give up the hope!
Claim is ok, the unspoken “so everything will collapse” is bullshit. In the end, Hampton is right: “work (do what someone else wants) or starve” is not how anyone should live
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We done slavery for at least a long as there has been civilization. That doesn’t make it good.
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No one is denying shit. We’re stating that our systems dont have to be based on coercion. It is possible to build a society off of cooperation instead. Denying that is denying that we made this shit up and it can be how we want.
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I dont give a shit what most people think. Its a fact not an opinion. Our systems are built on coercion because we’re just making slight changes to them over time. Thats why they are that way. It has nothing to do with the thoughts that talking heads plant in the average Americans’ mind.
Edit: reading this after posting I would just like to clarify that I am not trying to be pointed or angry with you. It comes off that way tho. I really do mean we have the choice in how our societies operate.
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People who use the term “most people” are usually full of shit in my experience.
(Guess who the commander-in-chief is of the “most people” crowd)
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Most people say sunzu2 is not intelligent. I don’t say that but most people do.
Lol. Aren’t you cold there, at the peak of mount of scholarship?
It hasn’t been like this around Ramana Maharshi, just to point one name you can look into. And human life and possibility have never been about just sustaining body till it drops dead.
Oh, my little know-it-all, you say plenty of people have been living like that for plenty of time? Good catch, take a candy, good boy
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Your thesis?
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How do you know it’s “due to slavery and violence” rather then “despite slavery and violence”? It seems more likely to me that civilisation is rooted in cooperation and solidarity, while slavery and violence is a cancer that grows on top of it, and hurts almost everyone involved.
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You are talking about civilizations, but it seems to me that a more appropriate word would be “empires”, which in a sense is an antithesis of “civilization”. Most people around the world don’t have imperial aspirations, and yet they do live in civilized societies. That extends to most governments, today and historically. Perhaps peaceful societies leave less footprint. Empires need a lot of propaganda to justify their antisocial actions - things like monuments, colossal architecture, anthems, heroic poems. Naturally their spectacular violence attracts more of our attention. But I don’t think imperialism was ever a norm.
That’s an assertion without any merit. Especially in oppressive regimes solidarity is what keeps society together. I understand that you are writing from USA, so I don’t blame you for this dark and cynical worldview. My impression from a safe distance is that breaking of basic and natural solidarity and voluntary cooperation is an intentional effort of a tiny class of imperialists in your country. They want you cynical, hopeless and alienated. Don’t give up the hope!
Bedrock of civilization my ass, lol. Did I ever say I was looking for a dispute with you?