since kids aren’t usually allowed to train with guns… were they all training with their parents before? or is it not that hard, so can any person with no expirience technically just pick up a gun and start shooting people?

(asking not 4 myself obvs, just out of curiosity)

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    You aren’t American are you? Many families here teach their children to use guns. It’s considered irresponsible to keep guns in a house with children and not teach them to use them (though you should keep the guns locked up and away from them when not in use).

    Also it’s really easy to shoot a gun without training if you don’t give a fuck about not wasting ammo or who or what you hit. Especially if you’re aiming at a crowd. It’s rare for school shooters to be decent marksmen, rather they just bring a gun with decent rate of fire and a ton of ammo and shoot into a crowd

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    They just aren’t that hard to use.

    As Thelma says, “can’t be that hard, idiots use them all of the time”.

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    It’s really a no brainer in how to use guns. The part that really determines how well they can use a gun is how fast they can reload like a trained marksman who spends considerable time at a shooting range. That and how well they can prevent some guns from jamming.

    But taking one, knowing it is loaded and just shooting away, that’s a no brainer. Anyone can do it.

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    The hardest parts of gun use are aiming at long range and proper maintenance. Neither of those are a concern for someone planning to shoot at close range and not live another day.

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    They’re not hard to use, they’re hard to use well. And really, not that hard. I’m a pretty good shot, and I’d say I spent much less time learning to shoot than I did, say, computer-related skills which took way more practice, and study.

    It’s a blessing that most mass shooters are not skilled shooters. The shooters that are skilled tend to favour the rifle. They make each shot count, and typically only fire once. But, that’s more of an assassination. People using handguns tend to miss a lot — I think they’re really going for terror/fear and not a high casualty count.

    The “problem” with being a good shooter is, you have certain safety tenets drilled into your head. Know where each shot is going to go, because you’re responsible for the bullet once it’s fired, and you can’t get it back; don’t point at anything you don’t intend to destroy/don’t have the right to destroy/don’t have the legal right to destroy; shoot to kill, never to warn or maim; don’t shoot if you can’t be sure you will hit your target; etc. Specifically because I think it begs the question, about warning shots: they’re dumb. The idea of shooting up to warn people. That bullet will eventually come down, at terminal velocity, and if it hits someone, it will do serious damage. If it hits the head just right, that warning shot absolutely can kill a bystander.

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    Most learn at home. Firing a firearm accurately does require some practice and skill. Shotguns are the easiest, pistols are by far the hardest. In an enclosed space though it isn’t that hard to hit a human sized target. Most people who shoot guns probably know how they work. They aren’t all that complicated. Usually just safety, a mekanism to cock it, a trigger, and a magazine release. It doesn’t take that much training to learn how to shoot something a few feet away from you. It does take a bit to hit targets further away than say 25 feet. This is often why cops end up smoking gangsters. Many gangsters don’t practice with their firearms and cops do, so in a ranged fight, cops usually win.

    Hitting a moving target is difficult. Most people don’t realize how easy it is to actually take down an armed person who isn’t skilled and practices things like the 30 ft rule which most cops will practice. (If you get within 30 ft, they will assume you can disarm them before they can land their first shot) Aiming usually takes a few seconds if you want to land your hits, even with a stationary target 25ft away. Some people practice a lot and john wick it, but real shooting is more like an entire body composure, carefully leveling the sights, squeezing, not pulling the trigger (rookie mistake) because if you pull the trigger to fast you will miss unless someone is very close to you.

    I’m just a regular nonbinary person, I learned to shoot skeets out of the air before I hit puberty. I can throw up a soda can and shoot it with a shotgun which is a fairly skilled thing to do. I practiced a lot for years, and hunted a lot. (Not into hunting these days because I’m a different person, and love animals) I might if I were hungry enough. I’m better than most people at shooting.

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    It’s not exactly hard to operate a firearm. They are designed to be used by the lowest common denominator of person - total morons.

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    You can learn how to use almost any gun in about five minutes. Have a friend or family member that lets you take some practice shots in their backyard? Now you know enough to be dangerous.

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    It takes a bit to initially learn how to load, chamber a round, and disable a safety. Every new gun you handle will require relearning those things for the most part. Also, the first time you handle a gun you’ll probably be a bit intimidated by the whole experience and want someone to show you. I agree most kids would have been taught by an adult if they got so far as to shoot up a school. That said, if a loaded gun is lying around the house, someone can easily pick it up and do some damage with it without any training— at least until it is time to reload.

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    It’s not like using a gun is hard. Training is more about maintenance and safety as well as accuracy. You don’t need to be accurate if you’re just firing indiscriminately into a crowd at close range and you also probably don’t give a fuck about safety or maintenance.

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    It takes real, practiced skill and/or quality equipment to hit a bullseye at long range, or to kill an armed opponent at short range quickly and cleanly enough to not give them the chance to shoot you back. It takes no skill to hit an undefended, person-sized object at <10 meters, the distances involved in most indoor locations.

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    I’ve been shooting twice. From my experience it’s shockingly easy the only kinda complicated thing is loading it. I’m sure YouTube has guides on anything that might be complicated.