My mum spoke to me shortly after it was announced that he’d died and I kinda was like “okay, feel bad for this children who had to witness it, can’t say I can sympathise with him though he was hardly a saint himself” and my mum was like “he spoke out against the woke people” over and over
I told her he literally said little kids dying in school shootings is worth it so people can have guns. he said empathy doesn’t exist and he doesn’t have empathy for kids being killed. He ridiculed disabled people in his circles. That he advocated for the genocide in Gaza by supporting Israel’s actions.
Then she was like “no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot” even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023. He’s a man in a position of power and authority and influence over others, it’s a bit different from “just having a different opinion”.
She ended up getting pissed off at me and blanking me after that but I don’t care. I guess me caring more about kids dying than guns makes me officially “woke” now but so be it. I’ll stand by the fact I can’t find anything redeemable about this man or any reason to sympathise with him
Your mum is a fascist. Ask her if she’d have voted for Hitler during the Holocaust.
Her answer is probably denial.
Ask her if she would have voted for Netanyahu killing Gaza kids in a holocaust 2.0.
She’ll prolly deny saying it’s a different thing. She needs to be taken to a mass grave and see the actual skulls, the rotting bodies, to see the impact of her wretched hatred.
Then she was like “no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot” even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023.
Conservatives have absolutely no long term memory. They’re completely ignorant of any history that doesn’t prove their immediate point.
From this story it sounds lile your mom is both an idiot and a bad person. Sorry you have to deal with that.
I got ostracized and banned from a discord server for expressing exactly what you did. People are so caught up in the fact he got shot that they’re not willing to look at the bigger picture of who he was and the horrible shit he is responsible for.
Exactly it’s like all context goes out the window and people are straight up denying the gross shit he said over the years
None of the variations of “woke” have ever been a bad thing to be.
Calling people “kind” just didn’t have the same sting to it.
Indeed. Woke is anti-oppression and the system of oppression wants you to go back to sleep.
Honestly I’ve resorted to asking them to define “woke” and then break it down and ask them which “woke” attribute they’re against. They usually shut up and go away as, I hope, they realize on some level how stupid they sound saying they’re against basic human decency and rights.
Charlie actually had tons of examples of why woke is evil. They all happen to be strawmen and fictitious, but he was never short of examples.
Yes, he definitely was anti-crow.
The point of straw man arguments is to then knock the straw man down. You’re showing how strong you are against something that isn’t real and only scares people who can’t tell the difference between a human and an analogue of a human.
It sounds like he was decidedly pro-crow. And then he ate crow.
Crusties spending decades bemoaning the decline of respect and manners among the yoof, suddenly the switcheroo and they now bemoan the yoof for having respect and manners.
Oh dont worry. EVERYONE irl i know is freaking out over this. I just ask. What about the 3 children that were shot in Denver? Do they not matter compared to this person?
These are the same people that asked why I didn’t care when James Dobson kicked it. Horrible human.
The media is so damn bought and paid for i cant believe they cant see it.
Facts don’t matter to someone like this. She’s having emotions. That’s the level you need to work on. She probably feels threatened, and like her in-group is under attack. You’d need to get her to see you as in-group before she’ll listen.
We’re all emotional creatures, but some people seem exclusively so.
Remember the public outcry when couple of Dems got shot? Me neither
Or the Denver shooting on the same day. ZERO COVERAGE.
Yeah, I’m not surprised. A lot of older people are telling me they learned about Kirk today from the news. American News MediaTM are actively whitewashing him, just look up how they’re talking about him on CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc. They’re making him seem like a political icon to GenZ/Gen alpha who likes to debate and “play devils advocate”, instead of the architect of his own demise.
Charlie said empathy is for cucks. MFW your mom spits on his legacy
Charlie also didn’t believe in gun control, so he’s gotta be okay with what happened. I don’t know how he’d feel about OP’s mom disrespecting him like that.
Wonder if she’s sad about the school shooting that happened right after.
Another family member lost to fox news propaganda
He spoke out against the woke people… Ugh.
“Let’s get something straight: if being woke means caring about the well-being of others, challenging systems of oppression, and striving to make the world a kinder place, then we are unapologetically woke. Let the critics sneer. Let them turn “woke” into a punchline. Their disdain for compassion only underscores the necessity of staying true to its core values.”
https://thezeitgeistonline.substack.com/p/we-will-always-be-proudly-woke-if
I’m so sorry your mum isn’t able to give your feelings the space and respect they deserve. You’re completely right. And fact is undeniable, he didn’t deserve anything, other than what he advocated for all his life. Also your mum is probably just grieving or feeling socialitically pressured to grieve. How your mum is feeling can be entirely separated from the person she’s feeling that for. Don’t address the person she’s grieving but maybe you can offer her kindness for her feelings, which, I’m assuming would be adulting beyond your developed years. Put clear boundaries down that you aren’t changing your opinion on the subject, nor do you want to speak of it, but you care about how she feels. Because people’s feelings matter, regardless of whether they’re perceived by others as being about unreasonable things, and maybe that will help her learn to be more emotionally supportive, at very least, it’ll set a good boundary for you and how you expect her to treat your feelings in future. My mum is a bit like yours, I’ve never found a good balance, and I can barely speak to her, and I’ve had many many years of no contact at all, it’s hard to go through, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but sometimes that’s the path you end up on, after exhausting all options available at the time. I hope you’re able to find a way to co-exist, more peacefully than I was able.
Sorry to hear your mother is toxic and unintelligent.
