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I know how to handle firearms and I’m somewhat able to hit a target. But oh my god do I not want to use any, for anything.
ideally, you won’t have to. Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you. otherwise, make a range buddy?
Just living within a gun positive culture is pretty preventative of the bad things that could be directly done to you.
Ha. I know this is the wrong community to laugh at this, but honestly it’s hilarious.
It takes more than just being “Yeah guns!” to avoid violence between people. It takes a society where people don’t take each other for granted.
Fear is a terrible demotivator for people looking to cause damage. At best they’ll be looking for ways to cause damage before you’d notice, before you’d ever be able to pull a gun.
I’ll play devil’s advocate here a bit, but living in a culture where guns are a constant does put limits on a lot of activity. It’s also 100% true to say that people looking to cause damage will do so regardless of repercussions and often in spite of them. In most ways I agree that gun reduction overall has a greater reduction in harm than gun availability. That said, when living in a society where anyone and everyone can have a gun it definitely impacts some of the decisions you make.
I see youtube videos about people freaking out in traffic and getting out of their car to fight and my first thought is that they have no idea if the driver has a gun. The danger of gun culture for most people in that culture isn’t a random shooting at a school or mall, even if that’s what gets the news. The real danger of gun culture is getting into a minor argument or misunderstanding and someone shoots you for little to no reason. It doesn’t matter if they are going to go to jail for wrongful manslaughter or murder if you’re already dead.
When you live in gun crazy society it for sure cranks down a certain amount of behavior amongst normal people. The problem inherent to this is that there are stupid people with guns who for some reason don’t think other people have them and engage in confrontations as if that’s the case.
It takes more than just being “Yeah guns!” to avoid violence between people. It takes a society where people don’t take each other for granted.
I usually really hate quote texting people but I just want to point how real this is. Yes, you’re correct. It needs both. Valuing both is what makes us leftist gun owners.
As for the rest, I think the other guy who replied to you explained it way better than I can.
I’m in Germany, I’ll only need to use one if Vlad decides to come over.
that’s a good problem to have. it seems you guys have built your society right without all the insanity we’re dealing with in the US right now. take care of yourselves and eachother 👍
Just living within a gun positive culture
Ah, yes. I’ve heard that Vibes-Based gun ownership is 50% more effective than Regular gun ownership.
your entire existence is predicated by vibes and pretending it’s not shows just how unengaged with society you are. if you’d like to educate yourself, the entire history of the Black Panther movement is right there. there are places in America right now that ICE will not raid because of the viBeS indicating that they will be shot if they try.
I know I can’t force you to use your brain but I’m sincerely inviting you to at least check yourself for a pulse.
I’m 100% on board with you, but do you have you be so rude in your response to the weevil? They’re a genuinely interesting, generally nice person, at least in my experience.
yeah okay that was a bit dramatic. I don’t know them and I was being annoying.
your entire existence is predicated by vibes
Take that, materialists.
I know I can’t force you to use your brain
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okay that was rude of me. I should have just let it be. have a good rest of your night
Better to have and not use than need and not have.
*paid for by the military industrial complex – commercial consumer division
Finally, some DEI
It is physically painful to watch the American Consumer sold on yet one more retail panacea for a structural social problem.
“Oh, fascist government has you worried? Consider Amazon-brand AR-15s! Walmart is fully stocked with punji sticks and shovels! I think I can get a claymore mine off Temu (shop like a paranoid billionaire)!”
Capitalists will sell us the ropes etc etc. Consuming guns is absolutely not “the answer”, but being armed, willing and able definitely is.
I don’t think you’re supposed to eat them
being armed,
willingorganized and able definitely isShow me the left-wing militia and I’ll be a bit more excited about left-wing gun ownership.
But ten-thousand monkeys with AR-15s does not a leftist movement make.
Organizing a left wing militia is a fast track to the grave. Under our current conditions, we can have leftist organizing, and we can have armed leftists, but explicitly organizing a leftist paramilitary force is going to be very difficult. Even orgs like the SRA are very cautious to not be perceived as such. That doesn’t mean there isn’t value in training leftists in basic firearms proficiency.
Organizing a left wing militia is a fast track to the grave.
Then there’s no point in owning a gun. You don’t have comrades. You aren’t operating under any kind of command structure. You don’t have a support network behind you. You don’t even know who to point your damned gun at.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t value in training leftists in basic firearms proficiency.
Training them through what organ? We just ruled out any kind of leftist armed organizing.
If that’s how you see it, that’s how you see it. I mentioned the SRA-- they are an “organ” that is training leftists in basic firearms proficiency. They aren’t going to give any “tactical” training under any official banner though. Leftists can get that training just like anyone else, by paying some CHUD if they want to. There are also a lot of anarchists out there who organize (less formally) firearms trainings. I know because I have participated in some. My attitude is that if ever a time should come where you find yourself needing to hold a gun, it will be a lot better if it isn’t your first time.
Jokes on you, Amazon sold their AR-15 division to Ruger last month, and Walmart only has 80% punji sticks (gotta sharpen them yourself) but they do have shovels yes. And you can indeed get a claymore on Temu.
(Sidenote, 100% I’m buying one of those claymores for my desk, thanks for making me search it for the lolz.)
You can just 3d print them. It doesn’t have to be retail. Also btw, this attitude is what got us into this position.
America has more guns than people.
Yeah so you can probably save by buying a used one too.
Can’t do it, my brain is bad
It takes a lot to realize that and exercise that restraint. You’re a good egg. With that being said, a paintball gun would have a low chance of self-harm, but they make coyote urine balls that smell terrible on impact. Just saying.
And pepper balls, and jawbreakers.
I’ll just point out that showing up to a hypothetical gun battle with only paint (or even pepper balls) is a bad idea. Cops and other criminals will undoubtedly act as if you’re holding a firearm anyway, even though you aren’t, and their guns can do unto you while you can’t do unto them. Tread wisely.
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No need. These days you can get the aforementioned “jawbreakers,” which are solid plastic or aluminum .68 caliber balls specifically designed for paintball gun use and what for to cause havoc. Unlike frozen paintballs they’re shelf stable.
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Learn to fly drones instead!
Surprised this group hasn’t been mentioned. I have known, and been friends with, several members.
Yup, I’m a lifelong filthy anti-gun liberal.
Can’t be anymore.
It’s time to get armed. Wish it wasn’t, but the writing is on the wall. If Americans want to go on blowing each other’s heads off and having endless school shootings, well, that’s better than living under fascism, which is here, now.
Gonna be a lot harder for them to do what they want if we’re all packing.
I suggest you watch these 3 videos in sequence and in full (assuming you have the attention-span for it):
guns part 1 (technicalities)
guns part 2 (failed laws)
guns part 3 (possible solutions)
especially if you’re non-US.Knew it was Beau before I even clicked on it. Great little video series he did back then!
“Only 3 kinds of people in the world: pro-gun, anti-gun and those who actually know how firearms work.”
I miss that man. His wife is doing a great job though.
She doesn’t do it for me the way Beau did! She’s not bad, she just has a different way of delivering things that I don’t enjoy as much.
She’s clearly reading a script, whereas he seemed to be talking without one.
Spent the weekend on private land blowing through thousands of rounds with my AR, Glock, and 20 caliber. I suggest everyone start going to the shooting range and get acclimated to your guns. It will be necessary soon enough. I believe that.
I did the same with a buddy that just got his first pistol, which is believe he did due to the times. I hadn’t had my guns out to shoot since pre-pandemic, it was a good time to make sure everything is clean, lubed, and in working order.
Hell ya! Tell him welcome to the club! I need to take my 30-30 and 30.6 with me next time to train some folks on long distance shooting. My shoulders bruised up from firing 30 round clips in a few seconds tho. Too much fun on private land.
You ever shoot .45-70? My father-in-law had a lever action Marlin chambered in that. That was the most my shoulder has ever hurt. I fired THREE rounds through it, and I was done for the rest of the day. My shoulder was bruised for a week. Holy crap. I’ve shot 30-06 before, I’ve shot .308. I’ve shot crappy old 12 guages with basically no cushion to the stock. Never experienced anything like that. Never again. Pretty sure he sold it after that one outing.
At a minim getting fit. Ideally when doing some boxing. Good work out and confidence building.
Are there any resources for getting started?
I don’t like reddit anymore, but there’s /r/liberalgunowners. I’d suggest taking a safety course, then renting (edit: multiple firearms) at the range, and then buying what you think you need/ like.
Edit: Guy bellow me is also right.
Edit edit: I forgot about this part. You should prepare yourself to spend the amount of money needed to buy an older, used car. It depends on the state, but that was my experience. Around 4k with EVERYTHING involved.
Seconded on the safety course. Ask all your questions then, too.
It’s worth mentioning that you should try out a few options before going with the first gun you try. My spread went down by half in a day just by finding the one that fit my hand right.
And lastly, stay in practice. Like anything, if you don’t do it for a while, your skill will plummet. The last thing you want do is try to remember the fundamentals in a life or death situation.
Yup. In a stressful situation, you fall back on muscle memory.
$4k?? No fuckin way lol. You can buy a glock or even an AR for under $500 right now. 500 rounds of 9mm for the glock is $150 or 1000 rounds of .556 is $450. $50 for a couple hours at the range with a friend that can show you the ropes.
This is CA, including the course and all the bells and whistles. My glock was 1k alone. We’re limited to the gen3 glock due to the California roster, and it’s still expensive (mostly paperwork).
Edit: My bad, I also included ccw in my head.
I just moved from CA, and yeah CCW adds a lot (if you even live somewhere you can realistically get one). $1k for a Glock is crazy town, man. Even at the beginning of covid they weren’t that much.
Nah, for sure. I believe it was about $500 originally, but after shipping, taxes, background check, other fees, etc… about 1k. Half the price was paperwork. That was about 8 years ago? I’m not sure if the gen3 became more available. I know the shield is pretty cheap.
I hope you enjoy your move!
Thanks! Moved for family reasons, and very much miss California. It’s not without benefits though, at least when it comes to firearms. I can mail order ammo without any kind of license, and I can 3d print my own guns if I so choose. Nice that this state also recognizes my CA CCW.
Find a local gun store, tell them you’re new and want to learn. If they’re not in your face with MAGA, they’re probably alright. Depending on where you live, you may or may not be able to be discerning with your choice. Most gun stores are gonna lean right. They’re not really gonna side with groups that want to reduce their business.
Just start the war already and stop edging us
The lower left picture (and other knowledge of the groups) makes me think that the upcoming resistance will be led by trans and furry hackers/coders, etc. I hope they can organize. How sick would that be if they’re the ones responsible for taking down the fascists.
i aint ever seen police shoot tear gas at armed protesters. they left those black panthers alone.
they left those black panthers alone.
I hope this is sarcasm.
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Armed minors you say?
“Won’t someone think of the children?”
This is one of the more surprising reversals in leftist opinion over the last ten years.
Leftists? I don’t think so. Progressives and liberals maybe, yes.
I mean, it’s not exactly a new opinion. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary
it’s just quite shocking to me as a Canadian. But I can see the logic behind it.
I’m not sure how being Canadian factors into it; we still read Marx in Canada (at least, those of us on the left do)
There is none. It’s just people who would never do anything in real life acting tough on the internet.
^ Prime example right there.
A prime example of what, genius? That makes no fucking sense in the context of the conversation.
look up “stochastic violence”
I absolutely believe that giving guns to everybody is a really dumb idea. But if I was living in the present day US, I’d start stocking up on guns and ammo and practice shooting.
Maybe we can just pool together money and arm the unions. Imagine how hard mass-layoffs would be if unions had a missile launcher.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you’ve already lost. None of the existential threats to a person in US, existing or future, can be solved by shooting at it. You can make a lot of things whole lot worse by introducing armed conflict to it, but nothing can be made better by it. If I was a conspiratorial type, I would say that making the left gun-happy is a psyop by fascists, because there is very little things is as dangerous to a healthy society as the ubiquity of guns, and fasch can’t thrive in a healthy society.
If it comes to the point when you need to use a gun to defend yourself, you’ve already lost.
Did you miss the bit where people are being ICEd?
They’ve already lost.This country is already lost.
Not a single person in a position of power is willing to dethrone the oligarchs, it will only be done through violence.
Either these are the tools that will change things, or the tools that will tak out as many of the enemy as possible before they kill you.
None of the existential threats to a person in US, existing or future, can be solved by shooting at it
I think we are referring to other humans with guns, which can in fact be solved by shooting them. In fact, that’s SOP for SWAT, who are the kind of people you want well-armed … assuming you also have an inclusive, pluralistic, liberal democracy to govern them.
Root cause here is cultural. US needs denazification, according to the original pre-Putin definition of the word, exact same way post-WWII German society became… an inclusive, pluralistic, liberal democracy
None of the existential threats to a person in US, existing or future, can be solved by shooting at it.
Wrong.
Fascism is here. It is not an existential threat. And fascism always has to be responded to with force. Fascists do not respond to politely phrased requests or democratic elections.
You can make a lot of things whole lot worse by introducing armed conflict to it, but nothing can be made better by it.
Are you unaware of WW2?
there is very little things is as dangerous to a healthy society as the ubiquity of guns
This isn’t a healthy society.
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Fascism isn’t a guy you can shoot at. It’s a social disorder, and the best food for it is an inability of people to organise, to trust each other, to form communities that will recognise attempts of autocrats to usurp the power and to take your democracy away. And among the instruments of this social erosion is this fundamental fear people have of each other. Fear that exacerbated by ubiquity of guns, in part caused by it, and made substantially worse by it. Fascists want you to think in a framework of personal violence, they want you to dream about getting into direct fights, because that’s their whole world, that’s where they thrive. When they come to your house to throw you to jail for thoughtcrime, they want you to respond with shooting your gun at them. What they don’t want is for you to be connected to your neighbors, to your social group.
Are you unaware of WW2?
Are you by any chance a country in Europe in the middle of 20 century? Because if not, the WW2 isn’t an applicable example.
This isn’t a healthy society.
Yeah, for example y’all are too obsessed with guns
It’s always been the case that if you go left far enough you get your guns back.
It’s true.
But you have to respond to fascism with force.
So it’s a necessary reversal.
If we lived in a better society we wouldn’t need to have reversed on this topic and we’d still be trying to reduce the number of firearms. But we live in a stupid society that forces us to have to arm ourselves. That’s the current reality.
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I’m aware, and I still believe this is a change in leftist opinion.
it’s almost like people change their stances on things depending on the situation
healthy country? kids shouldn’t have easy access to guns
whatever the fuck is going on right now in the us? give everybody a gun without question and let’s see how it plays out. can’t be worse than an authoritarian government
idk why you said “it’s almost like,” as though you think I’m stupid for pointing out that it’s interesting that this has been a change in the left.
Doesn’t seem to matter which side, both ignore that whole inconvenient militia part.
That’s not what it means. The militia part is the reason why they wrote the 2nd amendment. The People is who it’s for.
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