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Dems don’t want to win every election because that would break the scam.
Send in the republicans to loot our money and then send in the dems to fix everything up enough to where they can loot again.
I keep saying this but it feels like the Dems are a Russia-style controlled opposition party.
Doesn’t mean 100% of them are garbage, but the leadership sure does seem like it hates the idea of successful opposition
Fix? Best we can do is Most Lethal Military Ever and expanding the programs we all agreed were bad under Trump.
It’s time to reform the government.
Edit: and people need to seriously consider what that looks like. Especially once the smoke clears
Changing the voting system is the first step.
A lot of smart people have looked at this problem. With years of study, lots of math, and some real world testing, the best option for a replacement is STAR.
This right here. Get rid of the electoral college and make all voting mandatory STAR voting is a great start.
We also need to somehow end the legalized bribery and get money out of politics, to ensure those elected work for US, not the donor class. And we sure as hell shouldn’t be letting foreign governments buy and control our politicians (AIPAC, saudis, looking at you especially).
At this point, the Dem party consider themselves retired.; enjoying their investor’s cash, and playing fiddle while DC burns.
Every Democrat that accepts blood money, fuck you.
What does +n favourability mean?
Wealthy consultants: I know you’ve tried running as republicans-lite. We suggest that you move further to the right.
DNC: brilliant
Don’t forget, absolute, unthinking support of Israel under all circumstances. Even thinking about why you support Israel antisemitic, and this issue is more important than any domestic issue. Literally losing to Republicans is preferable to budging 1mm on this .
checking under the hood of the DNC
Curious, all I’m seeing is more consultants.
even worse, they’re all conservative consultants.
Nervous Lincoln Project noises
Seriously, what kind of absolute schlubs turn to Ted Cruz’s campaign manager to win liberal votes?
…how shall we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…
Democrats: … But why male voters?
Mamdani: you serious? I just told you that a moment ago!
Supplement Mamdani with a Trump-like folk and see it for yourself: Dems do not support socialism, nothing new here
We need a good middle ground candidate. One that can get support from people like Dick Cheney and George W Bush. That’ll get us the young voters.
I really am curious to see what war criminal the DNC trots out next to try and tempt us with. Kissinger didn’t work, Cheney didn’t work, who’s next? They going to have Netanyahu on stage next? Oh fuck they probably will…
Newsom’s working his way there, it seems.
Its like they are trapped in this cycle of never ciriticising those before them. Bidens ego is one of the biggest problems we had before trump took his place.
It’s worth remembering that the primary that Biden won was all just a show to sabotage Bernie Sanders and gift the nom to Biden. Worked out very well.
Yeah, apparently we owed that to Biden, or something like that.
So there should be a socialist party no?
Yes, ideally, but the US system is completely rigged in a million different ways to make the emergence of a meaningful 3rd party almost impossible.
The way we award seats, first past the post, is horrendously flawed, and means that if every specifically defined area just barely has a majority… the net effect is a government that is way, way out of sync with what the broader population actually wants.
And this is all rigged by regularly and precisely redrawing all those specific geographic areas to make it so they are either clearly gonna be Rep or Dem, or 51-49 split that looks ‘reasonably fair’ on paper, but in practice, almost always goes to that 51.
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Ironically, if Musk goes through with making his own third party… he, the literal richest man in the world, is basically the only person that could possibly pull that off.
That is how huge of a role money plays in US politics.
Takes the richest man in the world to be even maybe potentially able to counteract all the rest of the combined lobbying money of other corporate lobbyists… and thats assuming he was able to basically shut the fuck up and let at least strategically competent people run the whole show.
Going by the probably actually legit poll Elon commissioned to be run about possible support for an Elon party, here are the numbers I ended up with:
(will update in a moment, gotta go find my old post)
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Ok, heres the full poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R4pZVo0ZnrQyElZQzdNtt7CQ1zwTypuS/view
Here’s some rough, but reasonable math to extrapolate.
If you say half of the 'somewhat likely’s actually go for it, then you get this:
Republicans who join Elon Party: 34.25%
Independents who join Elon Party: 28.25%
Democrats who join Elon Party: 13.75%
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There are more Dem voters than Republicans.
But there are also more independents than either.
Roughly 32% Reps, 33% Dems, 35% Indp.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/the-partisanship-and-ideology-of-american-voters/
So, throw that in with those previous calcs, and you end up with:
Reps: ~21%
Dems: ~28.5%
Elons: ~25.5%
Indps: ~25%
or, normalized to remove remaining Indps:
Reps: 28%, Dems: 38%, Elons: 34%.
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So… theoretically, the Dems are still the largest, Elon is now second behind them, and the Reps are now a third party, less popular than having no solid political affiliation.
So if Elon actually goes through with this, I think you end up with a good number of corpo Dems leaving the Dems, so the Dems now have an easier time shifting to the left.
The Reps lose 1/3 of their voters, and basically just become a cult of idiot racist nazis, paleocons, theocrats, MAGA nutjobs.
Elon party … basically becomes the ‘centrist’/libertarian/ancap/corpo party.
Nope if you ask me. Socialists must conquer the Dem platform just as fascist have conquered the GOP
Problem is:
both the DNC and GOP fight Socialists (or more like moderate social democrats already)
both the DNC and GOP do not fight Fascist, and often help them instead.GOP do not fight Fascist
It’s worth remembering there was a “Never Trump” movement among Republicans, and it folded as soon as Trump won.
Because Rs support Rs no matter their characters or policy.
Team sports, and all.
A lot of problems there are, but what are going to do? ldar?
Problem is fascists get a lot of money or have their signal boosted with money for doing what they are doing. Socialists will be fought with money. Remember the billionaires standing in line behind Trump? Who were missing were the Murdoch media empire an Putin, they also signal-boosted Trump. But other than those, that row of billionaires gives you an idea of how much money is backing fascists.
In principle yeah, although I’ve a feeling the only way that’s going to happen is with a credible socialist party showing up to threaten the status quo and force their hand. Otherwise they’re just going to keep on keeping on; we already saw what happened with Bernie, and he’s not even that hard left.
That’s depressing on so many levels it’s almost funny.
Maybe.
Traditionally their views are in their names. You can expect other things from them, but also expect your expectations to not be met. Overcoming that is the fundamental point of democracy; quite irrelevant if trapped in a two party system, though. But try enjoy the ride where you can. There’s no getting off unless you leave the amusement park entirely.
The left wants leftists not conservatives cosplaying as liberals
TBH I’m not really convinced, because in the face of Trump 2.0 the left decided to stay the fuck home in 2024.
Maybe the left is being misled into thinking what they want isn’t running for office, and with such a blatant 100% alignment candidate like Mamdani running for the DNC they have to come up with reasons to continue hating on them “Mamdani is different! Actually, they all secretly hate Mamdani!”
Sure, Gilibrand’s Islamophomic smears are basically an endorsement to hear you lie about it.
Bernie: I have +45 on young male voters, and +12 over Trump if elected as the DNC nominee.
DNC: Were going to learn nothing from this, ever.
they’d rather see the corporate candidate lose than the popular candidate win
“They” as in like 30-40 Million People?
thats why they have a habit of choosing Republicans.
The DNC prefers maga chuds to any progressive in any seat.
What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss? Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?
What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss?
Stop. Ratfucking. Progressives.
Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?
As opposed to not holding primaries and picking a surefire loser like they did last year?
They need to stop fucking over progressives
But also 24 was stolen
My dude.
Kamala wasn’t chosen through a primary. Did you forget that?
The Dems are already acting as rediculous as you think they shouldn’t be.
And they have been for a long time. At least since Bernie.
Everyone in the US memory holed the DNC trial where they went to court and defended their right to pick whoever the fuck they wanted for a candidate over holding primaries.
In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.
DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate.
“In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,”
So the DNC has learned nothing and already is as stupid as you think they shouldn’t be.
Here’s what the DNC should do: Support who their voters think is popular, not their corporate financers.
All this bullshit could have been avoided if they did that with Bernie the first time. They learned nothing then did it again with Biden/ Kamala a second time. Now they’re doing it again with Mamdani for a third.
No, she wasn’t, Joseph Biden was. He won some states completely unopposed, because you’d be insane to challenge an incumbent. Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
And yeah, Shultz liked his own party better than the third party participating on his ticket, and that might have had some negligible impact on the 3 Million more votes that Clinton received than Bernie.
Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
I would have preffered the DNC dropped Joe with enough time to run a primary that DNC voters could have picked a candidate from. Especially given that he had cancer and likely knew about it during the election.
Instead, he dropped out way too late.
Because the DNC thought someone with ass cancer would look strong in a debate against a drugged up Trump.
Then they panicked when ass cancer grandpa failed the easiest debate in the history of presidential debates and then wasn’t polling as the “strong incumbent” you were made to believe he was.
The DNC waited too long to realise Biden wouldn’t win against billions of disinformation spending, and all they had to do was hold another primary to elect a new candidate to win.
Instead they waited too long - switched to Kamala too late - and then completely ran out of time.
Just like they took too long to persecute Trump. Too long to expand the court. Too long to codify Roe vs Wade. Too long for Democracy to be protected in a meaningful way.
And certainly too long to realize the young male supporters of Bernie have been going to Trump for decades now because the DNC labeled their very reasonable concerns as just dumb “Bernie Bros” BS instead of “the only voting base that can win American elections.”
I wasn’t exaggerating in my original post, Bernie would have won against Trump by +10 on average according to every general poll conducted before the DNC primary, even by Fox News.
Here are all those polls collected, I’ll bet it’s the first time you’ve ever seen them:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/trump-vs-sanders
Instead the DNC thought Hillary would still be good enough. And they still haven’t learned why that was a mistake when they thought Biden would be too.
Bernie would have unquestionably won against Trump. Period full stop. You should be furious the DNC made you think Hillary was better when she statistically wasn’t, just like you should be mad at the DNC for making someone with cancer debate a criminal.
You aren’t holding the DNC accountable for shitting the bed ever, so they keep doing it, now to the cost of our Democracy. They literally prefered a Trump president over actual progressive policies, so that’s what we have, and always will with the current DNC.
The difference between me and you is that you’re blaming democrats for everything Republicans do. I supported Kamala, I would have supported Biden, and more people like me would have completely averted this disaster.
Translation: how can we con men into supporting our platform, as opposed to changing our platform to be more appealing to men and younger voters in general?
Dems: Best we can do is racism and abandoning trans people.
Starmer?
Poor US-americans. They get to choose between shit and shit lite.
The wealthy oligarchs con people into voting for shit by paying the opposition to be shit lite. Nobody wants to vote for shit lite, so if the oligarchs make sure the opposition is shit lite, then shit wins
That’s exactly right.
nononono it’s more like MegaShit9000 and TotallyRottenShit2000🏳️🌈
Fuck off with this anti-gay sentiment, bro even if it’s a joke, not acceptable
Theres no anti-gay sentiment, they are mocking liberal pinkwashing.
The people: Can we have some help?
Republicans: No.
Democrats: No. #blm #lgbt
not a dude, but thanks
edit: thanks for the edit 💜
I’m fucking trans, stop knee-jerking. I’m absolutely mocking liberalism because they’re center right at best and absolutely complicit in the rise of fascism.
conserves: best we can do is ban trans people, muslims haitians and legalize racism (also defund the government, department of education so segregation in schools is technically legal, and give lots of money to rich people in tax cuts!)
american voter: [scratches head] ‘gee they are both the same!’
Can always count on someone who likes genocide support and wants to abandon trans people to stand up for democrats.
can always count on people who “suddenly” care about israels treatment of palestinians which has been going on for decades to fall for conservative lies and manipulations.
Where was your concern about the genocide when it began? Oh right you didn’t give to flying f’s. Only now when you need to dump on democrats do you guys care. You aren’t fooling anyone.
It became undeniable that netanyahu was committing genocide. Biden kept selling him weapons anyway, in direct knowing contravention of the Leahy law.
I get that it’s your favoritest thing ever, but some people have standards other than “no progressives.”
israel has been doing this shit for decades, who do you think blew up the king david hotel? You are conveniently using the palestinians plight now for one and one reason only, to attack the democrats. Its so obvious to anyone with more than 5 brain cells to see.
You have no standards, just puppets to use for your ammunition against people you don’t like. F off with your fake concern, respectfully.
israel has been doing this shit for decades
And you have been supporting it the entire time.
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Segregation is schools never went away (partly due to Biden breaking with the party to oppose desegregation), northern areas set up school districts based on the race of the neighborhoods, made easy by redlining, and private schools in the south.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_segregation_in_the_United_States#Segregation_since_the_1960s
yes, private schools were around. And now with the defunding of the DOE its about to become the norm. Well done sir, you’ve literally just explained what I said but made it sound like it was normal. Its not.
applause please for alcoholicorn! They somehow think biden is the reason why the department of education is being dismantled! what a genius this guy is!
applause please for alcoholicorn! They somehow think biden is the reason why the department of education is being dismantled!
Well, he didn’t exactly help, did he?
Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans, then blamed for ‘doing nothing’
the same trick every time. gerrymandering, no nothing republicans standing in the way of progress and tricking people like you into thinking its the democrats faults. Even when they enact policies that they came up with. (tell me the name of the conservative who filibustered his own bill when obama approved it. you wont, because you are a shill)
Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans, then blamed for ‘doing nothing’
democrats had a majority. They chose not to use it. They chose to break their promises. You only support biden because he sold weapons to netanyahu for you.
It is normal, it always has been, ask 10 white and a few black people from different areas how many black people were in their school. Or just read the wikipedia article.
i live in california, this may surprise you but a large percentage was asian at my schools.
Its not normal to have private schools everywhere and to defund public schools. The only people pushing this are folks who wish to keep poor people (minorities) away from theirs. Since they won’t be able to afford them.
I didn’t ask about Asians. How many black people went to your high-school?
Its not normal to have private schools everywhere
It literally is, it started with the desegregation effort, and any place with too mixed of a black and Latino population for public schools to be along racial lines has had private schools for the last half century.
I’m sure Chuck Schumer will get to the bottom of this after he finishes his book tour on antisemitism in America while being completely tone-deaf on the absolute disdain many of us have for our tax dollars supporting a genocide in the 21st century.
Cuck Coomer might as well be an Israeli citizen at this point
WONDER if any republicans and dems will get “righteous amongst nation” awards just for them.
No guys wait, why not pay our campain’s $100millions to cool billionares like Beyonce or Taylor Swift to relate to these young voters?
You know, if you’re holding a big GOTV drive in Houston and you want to bring their home town girl in to sing a few bars as part of a state convention or mobilizing event, I wouldn’t begrudge them that.
But Beyonce showed up at a big Harris event and didn’t perform any music. Literally paid to wave at the crowd and not do the thing for which you’re famous.
Lmao wut? Wasn’t the campaign manager literally just someone’s brother, that would explain so much
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Beyonce’s net worth is $800 million, so not quite a billionaire.
It’s not $800 million, it’s estimated $800 million. billionaire is well within the margin of error.
It’s also fucking Beyonce. If she isn’t worth a billion it’s only because she doesn’t care to be. If she wanted to she could release some new songs or do some shows and make it to a billion, but what real benefit is there? She can buy literally anything she wants and not worry about it.
Yeah most billionaires are billionaires because they own a company worth a lot. So their wealth is to a large part based on “what would they get when they sell the company”. Beyonce is herself the “company” but there is no evaluation for how much it is worth to be Beyonce. She can get a lot of very expensive things for free just for beeing herself. And how much could she earn by “selling out”? Wealth estimations just don’t make sense at this level
One trip to Dubai would get her to a billion.
20% margin of error?
By reported wealth of rich people, yeah probably even higher. Don’t forget to add some millions for the months since the last estimate too.
What Trump spent a lot of time talking about during the campaign was the economy and cost of living, which got worse under Biden.
Even a lot of his anti immigration stuff was frames as “they’re taking our jobs”. And that’s what Mamadani is doing right.
…due to Trump’s terrible pandemic handling, and Republicans blocking the anti price gouging bills
Doesn’t change the fact that when people do worse economicly for any reason they want to vote out the incumbent.
Well, maybe if democrats hadn’t broken their promises about minimum wage and childcare and tuition, people would have experienced tangible benefits from the biden administration and democrats would have something to run on.
Which is moronic.
You can cry that voters are dumb all you like, but the only thing Biden could have done to win was improve the immediate material conditions of his constituents. He chose to do fuckall.
Trump was bad enough he still probably could have won if he didnt also choose to facilitate genocide and sent the cops to kick the shit out the politically activated students, the sort who not only vote but get others to vote too.
Gee, if only we had a majority we were willing to use. Oh well, at least we still have the Holy Filibuster that we’re just as unwilling to use.
And before some centrist pipes up with their usual “our hands were tied like we like them! We didn’t have enough to break the filibuster!” We could have ended the filibuster forever with 50 votes. We had 50 seats. Centrists didn’t want to. They still don’t want to. They’re happy having the filibuster and never using it because they know their republican buddies will use it to block progressive policy for them.
And circumstances that were affecting the global economy. Every country was hurting. If I’m not mistaken, the US was doing better than most of the rest of the world, under Biden.
Voters are just dumb.
When you’re suffering, you really want to hear “it could be worse” from the people who showed over the course of months as they killed build back better and made sure the minimum wage stayed low that they had no interest in making anything better.
And if you come back with the Inflation Reduction Act or the CHIPS act, you typify the whole fucking problem.
If you want to win when the economy is in recession, you have to make up the difference. FDR didnt get elected on “do nothing and hope the economy deigns to bless the people with jobs”
Which Republicans know, which is why they block everything every Democrat tries to do. Biden tried numerous things which were halted by our broken Senate
Convenient excuse. If dems genuinely wanted these things, they could include it in bills that can’t be filibustered, use executive orders or just help people and let the SCOTUS complain about it later.
We know they know how, because we see both republicans and dems do it, but only to make things worse for us or make sure Israel keeps getting bombs when congress is broken.
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How about another fundraising gala? They can use the proceeds to fund another UBI pilot study, just in case it stopped working this year.
