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Dude, School was the worst f’ing psyop.
Give me a straight question and answer on the material, and I’ll 100% it. No, we can’t do that… Here’s four answers that are all technically correct, choose the MOST correct one.
Ohh so it’s pros and cons of a situation and you need to pick the one with the most upsides or least downsides? No, they’re all just mostly ok, but we were REALLY thinking about answer B when we wrote the question.
School is like slavery in many aspects to be honest. Though it‘s really not a physical one, but a mental one.
You can not do much without getting permission from an authority figure first, including relieving basic biological needs such as eating or using the bathroom. You are not allowed to leave the facilities without permission. You are classified into different groups based on your performance on tests, and eventually seperated based on that (usually at high school/university level). You are trained for at least 12 years in this way to obey arbitrary rules and procedures, which are designed to get you ready for the capitalist hellscape that awaits you. Some countries even use this period of time to push another agenda on you, usually one related to religion &\ nationalism. At last, you come out of it (while probably having forgotten many of the things ”taught” to you) and you are immediately put into mandatory military service, or you come to the point of needing a service job just to survive.
Autodidacticism definitely rocks, and homeschooling would be a better idea if one was qualified for it and the child’s social needs could be met elsewhere.
Kinda unrelated to your example, but I just wanted to expand on your psyop comment.
That’s a solid take. The difference I’ve noticed, though everyone’s experience is different, is with homeschooling. From what I’ve seen, quite a few parents take it on despite not really being suited for it. Some seem to have their own forms of indoctrination, the kind that even public schools won’t entertain, so they choose to keep their kids out entirely.
My son has a handful of friends who are homeschooled. (We kept him home a bit longer during Covid while he did remote learning, and he kept a lot of those friends.) His friends span the full spectrum: a couple are pretty middle-of-the-road, you’d never guess they were homeschooled. One lives under really strict, almost militant control, and another seems to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
I hate the crap that goes on when the establishment runs the game, but I also hate what happens when nutjobs run their own game. It’s like we need some kind of framework to keep everyone on the same page, where kids just learn and excel. We should get nominal discipline, learn self-control, but also not be pigeonholeed with a lot of redtape used to protect schools from legal action. Some kind of common sense brigade :)
Homeschooling works best for the kids when the parents aren’t working and are well educated. Most parents don’t meet these requirements, the ones that do usually do and the kids to private school because it costs about the same.
They don’t pay teachers enough and sometimes it shows.
Similar story of my own: Had a middle school computer teacher who told us to use “File -> Open URL” on Internet Explorer/Netscape (can’t remember which) which opened a prompt window with a text field to enter in a URL. And I pointed out that you can just use the address bar and do the same thing and she angrily told me that I had to do it the proper way. While I thought she wasn’t looking, I used the address bar anyway. She apparently had been trying to spy if I disobeyed, caught me, and told me that I failed the assignment (I did not even know I was being graded).
Another different computer teacher at my high school I had seemed to more or less admit she had no idea what she was doing (she originally taught a different subject, she seemed legitimately nervous/insecure about possibly losing her job) though she tried by just reading the text book to us verbatim for a few days. Eventually, she gave up and the students just taught each other computer stuff in her class, then when they ran out of things to teach each other they just played Age of Empires all class and the she let us.
Something about this reminds me of macOS’s default Finder settings that doesn’t let you manually type a path.
This is such a strange and irritating limitation of an other great OS.
Let that be a lesson. Truth comes from authority, not the evidence of your senses.
Similarly I got accused of plagiarism in ninth grade on a 3 page essay, because I used big words.
This was before the days of the internet. I suppose I could have used something like Encarta, but I don’t even remember if you could copy and paste into ClarisWorks from it, and it was about a fictional book we’d read anyway.
My brother got accused by the same teacher 3 years later. He had an even better vocabulary than me and went on to study theoretical physics.
I had so many experiences like that. I was a voracious reader as a kid. I was reading books in English (my second language) about topics such as aeronautics and space exploration. I was reading far, far above the level of any classmates. And that lead persisted all through college.
Every time a new teacher would give us an essay assignment, I’d get called out to stay after class once they graded it. And they’d casually accuse me of plagiarism.
My usual response? Quiz me, right the fuck now, on any paragraph you want from that 20 page paper. And ask me the definition of any word you’re unfamiliar with. That shut them up right quick.
A large vocabulary is its own reward, but not so much when those who’re supposed to teach you are lacking in that department.
My reading journey mirrors yours. When I entered the professional workforce, I was consistently met with vacant stares when I’d use whatever words I thought perfectly fit whatever I was describing. I came to find that using “big” words like that (examples I can recall: superfluous, inimical, vacuous, cogent, avuncular) made people think I was trying to show I was better than them. I had to pare my verbal vocabulary back to the most basic form so I could do my actual job.
Granted, I was in a “white collar” job surrounded by blue collar folks.
I understood three of the five big words. :3
Maaaaaan, I’ve been holding this in for almost 3 decades and it’s time to vent lol…
When I was in
middle-school(lol) primary school we were doing a quiz on space and the Earth and I recall the question: how long is a year?I’d remember reading in my “Magic School Bus” book that a year is closer to ~365.25 (that’s where we get the extra day in the leap years) and the class and teacher mocked me for not putting 365. I’m still salty about it!
Julian = 365.25 days
Gregorian = 365.2425 so you also loose a day every century but this is cancelled every 400 years.
Farnsworthian = exactly 3
Units are weird. I just say one orbit
Sidereal, tropical or anomalistic?
You’ve got some weird teachers. My teachers were all pretty keen to nurture curiosity. When we’d just learned about combustion and how fire needs oxygen, I asked my teacher after the lesson about the sun and how it could be burning without oxygen, and she just explained nuclear fusion and what the sun actually was, and that the words “burning ball of gas” is a bit of a misnomer because that’s not what’s happening.
Yeah, my public schools were considered some of the better ones in the country, and Im quite sure any of the teachers would just use that as a launching point, or at least give a cursory explanation and say it’ll be covered later. So this a good example of the differences.
I switched from a French immersion to an English school in grade 3, so pretty much coasted French class until one day we were doing some exercise where we would say our names. Friends name is Green and he read it out as Verde. The teacher was ecstatic, praising him for a job well done. Of course I knew this was incorrect that you don’t translate proper names and kept trying to correct them. I argued so vehemently that I got suspended for the day. Still hate French to this day.
Verde is Spanish
Haha wow, learning Spanish now so it must be taking over
Verte (feminine) or vert (masculine) in French, so pretty close. I’m assuming he chose “vert.”
It’s a weird coincidence how ofter this happens with kids and French teachers. I know at least 3 other people who have been through similar stuff and it happened to me too and we’ve all been to different schools
At the written maths finals in my country there’s first a timebox where the teacher goes through all tasks to make sure that everyone understands what is asked. During that portion the headmaster is present and students are allowed to ask questions. After that the headmaster leaves and nobody is allowed to talk any more.
So the teacher shows us this one task, and it’s a 3D geometry task. I look through it and notice that there’s one angle missing. There’s an infinite number of correct solutions with the given requirements. So I raise my hand and ask about that.
My teacher looks straight past me at the back wall of the classroom, completely stone faced and says “I am sure that the requirements are complete. They cannot be incomplete.” I hold my tongue.
As soon as the headmaster leaves, my teacher all but runs up to my desk and asks me what he missed.
Turns out, I was right and he just put a random number on the chalkboard to be used as the missed requirement.
If he had admitted in front of the headmaster that the requirements were incomplete, then the whole maths finals would have to be postponed and redone.
The headmaster was testing the teacher, not the students.
Reading these comments is bad for my health (╥﹏╥) What are the reasons for them to act this way? Seems sometimes they’re just ignorant, other times definitely power tripping.
I def had some weird experiences like this in school too, though not as extreme. I had a teacher once give me a zero on an exam because I used greater than and less than symbols to describe two lines intersecting. She thought I did them all backwards. Normally I’d be too shy to push back but zero on an exam was pretty extreme so I went to discuss one on one and she basically called me dumb saying I don’t know how the symbols worked (this was like 9th grade, I def did and was pretty alarmed she didn’t). Finally she said fine, she’ll go ask a math teacher to come explain to me in front of the class if I’m so smart. She left, was gone for like ten minutes, and came back super upset. Slams the paper on my desk in front of everyone and says something like ‘fine I guess you want an A now?’. Was traumatizing. But was actually a huge teaching moment for me in that I stopped seeing teachers as things/concepts, and started seeing them as people. Same as me/my classmates/some random on the street. No one has this shit figured out. I also realized I never wanted the experience she just had, and learned to always hedge my opinions. It looks like, I think, it seems to me, etc. Has saved me from looking stupid but also encouraged those that I teach to question my dumb shit. But yeah. Teachers are just people, have you met people?
Side note my math teacher was extra nice to me that afternoon - I also learned that the teachers don’t necessarily like each other either. Apparently I had helped score points for the ‘not batshit insane’ crew
This sounds like someone following a preprepared lesson plan without the skills or experience to adapt, and panicking.
That’s just bad teaching. If you’re not allowed to use negatives then the teacher shouldn’t be asking questions where negatives are the answer. 20-25 is NOT equal to zero whether you’ve learnt negatives or not.
Depends on what we’re subtracting. If I have a basket with 20 cookies and I give it to a class of 25 students, I’ll have 0 cookies. I won’t be in a 5 cookie debt, the cookies are distributed on a first come first serve basis. If you didn’t get one too bad, I never signed anything. And fuck them slow kids anyway, they’re probably last because they’re fat and can’t run too fast, they don’t need any more calories, loose some weight lil’ shitlings and be quicker next time.
It’s just a greentext. It’s fake.
Also gay.
Mostly it’s a fetishization of being the minderstood smart kid with scenarios that aren’t true but feel true.
Pretty fake. Pretty gay.
I don’t really like the slur I’ve been using here, but authenticity requires it. Oi moi.
Maybe this instance is fake, but this does happen: my primary school teachers went as far to refuse that negative numbers exist.
She got angry if someone hinted at them.
I literally had a teacher once “correct” me for saying the area of a circle is πr² instead of πrr. I was told “you’re not wrong but that’s for future classes”. On another class, I had a teacher correct a short story by removing repeated words, whereas I used repetition for emphasis, but used a comma instead of ellipsis. Think “I saw it, saw the thing” instead of “I saw it… saw the thing”. Both was in early elementary, no higher than 3rd grade.
So, believe it or not, things happen to other people even if they didn’t happen to you.
The worst thing about calling this fake is that it’s not even unbelievable, it’s a perfectly possible and mundane thing that most likely happened to millions of children as they grew up, yet everything in the internet is fake, right? No one just happens to record people for no reason, no one’s smart enough to make funny jokes in the spur of the moment and get a reaction from strangers.
EDIT: Added context.
I got this in school, it happens. Or happened in the 90s.
I went to a lot of different primary schools (UK here, that’s up-to-11-years-old) and there absolutely were ones where this happened. There were also good ones.
Well that’s just upsetting. What’s the point of even asking trick questions like that if you’re just gonna provide an inaccurate answer? Like, it’s absolutely terrible teaching. If you’re not comfortable teaching the concept of negative numbers just… don’t ask questions where the answers are negative? Completely batshit
it happens with bad teachers, and “good” parents will take the students side when the teacher’s being an idiot.
My parents got called to school more than once because i was “disruptive” and kept doing things like wandering around class talking to people or not turning up after breaks. I was bored. My parents said, if I’ve done the work and it’s all correct can’t they give me something else to do? So they made me answer the same set of questions again once I finished them.
thats how you promote and nurture aspiring gifted kids
This thread should be called “how kids get traumatized by school teachers causing them to hate school”
Anon gets traumatized by teachers
No Child Allowed To Be Ahead
Average autism experience tbh
That, and teachers really fucking hate being called out on something for some reason.
All my teachers were fine with it honestly :3 at least after primary school… if you corrected them they might’ve given you extra credit
But the general notion of saying something correct and people saying that that’s wrong, and not knowing why still stands
I asked my science teacher why and how the periodic table was setup like it was, I got “that’s how it’s setup”
But why, there as to be a reason
That’s just the way they made it
Yeah because they have to have gone by something what is that something
That’s just the way they did, stop asking questions (please don’t fucking learn in here)
Godamn that pissed me off.
Too proud to say “I don’t know, I’ll look it up and tell you tomorrow”.
Yeah, that wouldve been a great opportunity to get me further interested.
I have never been in a job where “I don’t know” is an acceptable answer, but I’ve always been in a job where “I don’t know, but I can find out for you” always is.
Really? We got a detailed breakdown of why the periodic table is the way it is
Yeah, turned me off to science at that age too which sucks because I was pretty into it.
in case you still care: the periodic table is arranged primarily by the chemical properties of its elements (mainly electronegativity, i.e. how much energy it takes to add/remove an electron to/from the atom) and also by their mass.
Huh? It’s sorted by number of electrons/protons (atomic number) the mass is dependent on that and the number of neutrons.
The eight main groups are based on the number of electrons missing for the atom to reach a full valence shell. Once it is full (8th group, noble gasses) it starts a new Period (row). I’m not sure how the other groups are chosen (probably some quantum physics that I never had in chemistry class). After looking it up Wikipedia says it just keeps going that way.
Electronegativity describes how much it “wants” to attract negative charges and doesn’t affect the order (Flourine has the highest and is in group 7). I think you may have confused it with ionization energy which would certainly match my understanding of the top half of the periodic table and probably does work for the lower half too now that I think about it.
The groups tend to have similar properties but that is not why they are sorted that way. Hydrogen for example is quite different from other elements in group one. The colours are probably better for finding common properties.
I do friend, I ended up looking into a few years later/have other teachers explain it but I never had that spark about it again
Once I got into Gifted teachers were like that. My first couple years in normie classes suuuucked.
Then in Gifted the bullies got much smarter. Fun times.
You had an extraordinary school experience.
Maybe :3 I think my school wasn’t that highly ranked nationally, but I don’t know how others were in terms of the teachers so can’t compare… It definitely had a lot of other issues tho haha
Teachers and parents. So many tend to double down when you point out their mistakes.
“I’m the adult so tnat means I’m right and you’re wrong”
All they got in life is their self-declared superiority over literal children
Really? Seems like.a very shit teacher and school. Dont think a 7 yr old getting upset by that is unusual. Id be furious of that had happened to my kid.
Its kind of a perfect example of how mediocre has become acceptable and even celebrated. And the attidues of don’t question, or don’t challenge. Scale that up and you start understanding how the world is as it is, particularly in the US.
They need you to feel like less so they can feel like more. Their comfort trumps your reality. Bystanders are more comfortable appeasing bullies than caring for victims.
… Or just a smart kid. Me and my friend in school were also early in learning about negative numbers, but our teacher was positive about it and encouraged us to use them in the problems even though the other kids didn’t need to.
Yep, am autistic, can confirm.
As with Union of Kobolds, I eventually got into the ‘gifted’ program… they even had me as a 2nd and 3rd grader basically being an unpaid tutor for 4th and 5th graders, sitting in the hallway, helping kids with reading difficulties (in all liklihood, undiagnosed dyslexia) read through kids books.
But, there’s always classes and teachers not part of the gifted program, and they’re often difficult and wrong and rude for no reason.
I still remember a chemistry teacher getting very angry with me for even bringing up quantum scale electron clouds as a model of atoms.
Not allowed to go beyond the Rutherford-Bohr model, even in discussion, always dismissive and rude, incapable of saying just ‘yes that is a more accurate model, but it is far too complex to go over without understanding Rutherford-Bohr first’.
Union of Kobolds
wait is that a thing?
oh wait nvm that’s another user’s username
Absolutely not
