don’t worry, we have phones and chatgpt now
Every single year we have a few over 30°C days more and a few below 0°C days less, it’s wild. 15 years ago, as a child, we could still go iceskating on local small lakes, not for the last 10 years. Now, we get luky to have a few days with a thin cover of snow, while grandma had 20 cm in her days. And on average less but stronger rainy days, which makes water retention in the ground worse.
That’s not a graph!
This is a graph!
You see how things are all smooth until it suddenly jumps vertical near the end like it hit a brick wall? That’s the fucking industrial era.
Theres an even better graph in the about section of this community, often found as a sidebar.
I do not enjoy this graph.
Nobody said it was a graph.
I assume you don’t know what the original joke is? The original is, in fact, a graph, this is a joke from a movie called Crocodile Dundee, where a guy pulls a knife on the main character, who proceeds to go “that’s not a knife” and pull out the largest bladed weapon that could still be considered a knife and says “this, is a knife.”
Hope this was helpful and that I’m not explaining something you already know.
“It’s just the natural cycle”
Exactly, the climates always changing. Just look at the graph, all the bars are different heights so there’s no reason to believe anything different is going on now.
EDIT: damn, things must be really bad if I need the /s here.
Thirty years ago, Switzerland felt like it was at the cutting edge of science and technology—innovative, precise, and ahead of the curve. But somewhere along the way, it got complacent. It rested on its past achievements and stopped pushing forward, especially when it came to environmental responsibility. The glaciers were already melting ffs.
In contrast, during 12 years in Oregon, I saw and felt real progress—conscious efforts to rethink energy, reduce waste, invest in green infrastructure, and build a more sustainable culture from the ground up. Things moved. People cared.
Coming back to Switzerland after that, it was striking how little had changed. The same habits, the same systems, the same quiet resistance to transformation. In many ways, it felt like the country had fallen behind—not in knowledge or resources, but in mindset. That cautious stability, once a strength, now feels like a barrier to meaningful action—especially in a world that’s already late in addressing climate change.
Now the glaciers are gone
Do you think it was a bit “mission accomplished”?
‘OK, we are recycling the cardboard and the plastics, good job everyone’
“We still need to address the use of fossil fuels, and renewable power generation, though?”
‘No, we have sorted everything, it is OK’I’m curious, if you were emperor for a day, you would like to see Switzerland do?
- Ban cars on sundays again.
- Remove all harmful subventions on meat production
- Ban the installation of fossil fuel based heating
- Everyone can buy a bike today, it’s on the state!
I’d add:
-properly tax jet fuel.
-Huge tax on private jet, which should go toward help toward green transition: fund R&D, electrification for Heavy industry, renewable energy production, green mobility (train,…) …
- Ban the installation of fossil fuel based heating
We did that.
I’m surprised. I don’t think it is done nation-wide. In which canton is it done?
Nation wide no new oil heating allowed anymore since 2023. Old ones can still be used though.
Edit: let’s rephrase: new heating must be renewable.
I remember this news end of last year discussing that we still installed a lot of non-renewable heating:
Pour accélérer ce rythme, la solution pourrait être politique. Le peuple suisse a accepté l’an dernier de soutenir financièrement la rénovation des bâtiments, grâce à l’isolation et à l’installation de pompes à chaleur. La Confédération va investir deux milliards de francs sur dix ans dès l’année prochaine.
Il s’agit là de mesures incitatives, mais certains cantons misent, eux, sur des interdictions. A Genève par exemple, à quelques rares exceptions, les propriétaires ne peuvent pas installer des chauffages fonctionnant aux énergies fossiles.
En Valais, par contre, les chaudières à combustible fossile sont toujours autorisées lors des rénovations. Toutefois, à partir du 1er janvier, le Canton posera certaines conditions, notamment sur l’isolation des bâtiments.
Si les réalités régionales varient, le défi est national. Plus de 50% des habitations suisses sont encore chauffées au mazout ou au gaz. Et devront donc, à terme, être rénovées.
For anyone interested, you can pick a location close to you from this site: https://showyourstripes.info/c/europe/germany/frankfurtammain
(Credit Ed Hawkins)This is such a good tool for showing climate change.
Thanks for this!
Closest place I can pick is 1400km away, I don’t think that classifies as close to me :(
The solution to this is societal collapse and time.(1000+ years after) We can’t adapt our current civilisation quickly enough to survive this, we refuse to adapt to using lower emsisions (only thing left is radical change as we’ve run out of time) so there are no other outcomes left.
Collapse is already happening and we fiddle while the planet burns. We are all Nero now.
No?
I’m sorry, but if that’s the only route you can imagine, I’m sorry to say that if collapse is the answer, we’re gonna get into the runaway heating zone first and take everyone else out with us.
I don’t think that’s what’s gonna happen. I think we might get close, but I think that at the rate we’re going, we avoid that. Not that we don’t have some civilization collapse, but not total.
Mountains are melting and collapsing , insects die out or get more dangerous, our forests start to burn, many plants are at the brink of extinction, our ski resorts have less and less snow, …
But of course, a initiative to enforce government to hold a found that is protected from saving plans (which itself is a cost saving plan, as damages from climate change produce exponentially higher costs, the less we invest)
Hope the common folk shows the bundesrat, ständerat and nationalrat, that they know their stuff!
Looks pretty bad but a little less brutal than the swiss one
Somehow, I don’t think it’s a competition.
They’re all in the 2+/-.2 C range, and increasing in frequency.
What’s different about the flyover states is they are flat, are running out of water, and all the increased tornadic/hail activity is just going to make them no-mans-land over the next half century, outside of the temperature issues. (And not trying to compete either, it’s just weird.)
The amount of larger hail popping out of these storms is crazy too. Homes will need stronger roofs and windows, there will be more risk to aircraft as well with how rapid they seem to be popping off these days. (Secondary issues will be developing as well since the US is slashing weather prediction budget, which is reducing available data.)
Links on what damage to expect, a plane a few years ago that ended up damaged from a hail storm over New Mexico, double-sucks too, the airplane’s weather radar is in the nosecone, so they lose their ability to see what they’re flying through in that case:
What a weird statement lol
Gg
Just swap the colors and the y axis to make it look much better.
Why do you limit yourself to just ~150 years. First link from the search: https://scitechdaily.com/66-million-years-of-earths-climate-history-uncovered-puts-current-changes-in-context/
Your own link shows a change in pattern from ups and downs from year to year with larger patterns of rising and falling to an extremely recent upward trend in which every year is hotter than the last. We’re looking at a level of heating on the scale of decades to centuries that would normally be seen over millions of years. And humans didn’t show up during those hot periods, we showed up during the cooler period. Sure, there may very well still be life on the planet after we’re done, assuming we don’t acidify the oceans and we figure out how to dial down the rampant pollution after pushing ourselves into a kind of climate not seen for 35 million years, but will humans be able to live in that environment? Quite possibly not.
Looking at the wider picture doesn’t show that there’s no issue, it shows that there’s a critical issue and we’re screwing with extremely long-term trends that constitute the conditions we evolved under.
You are right, but also humans exists a bit longer than 150 years. So why limit it to just this short period? To make an impression that somehow we are heating up the planet? It’s just a natural cycle. If we survive it, or how long, is another thing
We absolutely are heating up the planet. Look at the curve on that graph and look at the time scales. That exact graph demonstrates that this is completely unprecedented.
on the scale from my link a million years is like maybe a pixel, so are you sure there were no short periods (50-100 years) when temperature changed rapidly?
You do realize that the scale of that graph on your source is not at all linear? We see rapid changes in temperature over the last 150 years. That timescale is nothing compared to the millions of years it usually takes for a +2 degrees change in climate.
We also know exactly how CO2, Methane and other gasses cause our planet to heat up. That mechanism has been a proven fact for many many decades now and it’s easily verifiable.Today’s humans (homo sapien) have existed for about 200000 years, about 10000 years of that we started to settle down in towns and villages. All that time, changes in climate were slow and not intense. Only 200-150 years ago we started to produce climate gas on a big scale and suddenly, temperatures explode. What is happening right now is clearly not a natural cycle. It is entirely caused by human action.
Are you sure about that? I’ve read that that the main source of heat / temperature on earth is Sun. CO2 is produced mainly by oceans and it is a derivative of temp. Human activity is responsible for maybe less than a 1% of all CO2 emissions. And this was proven years ago. Also - on the scale from my link a million years is like maybe a pixel, so are you sure there were no short periods (50-100 years) when temperature changed rapidly?
Are you serious? I’m not sure you’re arguing in good faith.
Yes the energy, comes from the sun. More of it stays in the atmosphere because of CO2, making it warmer.
Yes, human CO2 emissions only make up a small percentage of total CO2 emissions. Nobody is denying that. But the natural emissions are part of a cycle that is stable. They get reabsorbed.
The relatively tiny amount humans added to the atmosphere (about 100 ppm since the start of industrialization) still has a huge effect.Read this for example https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
That link actually debunks a climate skeptic claim, have you even read it? It does not support your claims.
According to that graph, it will be hot for another 100 years until it cools down again, presuming we are in a 130 year cycle.
(I know that’s stupid. As is the graph. Because it allows me to come to this conclusion)
