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Since the 2001 Patriot Act, the USA trashed their last gram of freedom.
I watched this on a few sources. One had better audio than the others, and you could hear one of the “deputies” muttering quietly to the others that they were being filmed. I wonder how much more escalated and violent this might have been if they hadn’t had that realization that they were being recorded…
It has always been this way. If you were a Hunter S. Thompson reader. You knew this way back. If you read about the real American history. You would know that the military was and has been used against Americans by terrible leaders. Just look at the Veteran Camps during the great depression. Requesting their war payments. Patton was sent in to clear them out. America has always been like this. It’s never been a good place for most people. Where I grew up. The sheriffs office committed a mass murder against striking coal miners in the 1800’s. This country is not a good place. Never has been.
No it hasn’t “always been this way”. Abuses like this are unusual and indicate the sorry state of the current regime. Dismissing it as normal is sloppy and irresponsible.
Did you not read my whole comment? Union busting has been a thing carried out by police and sheriffs all over this country. We have never had a good nation. Not until the New Deal was created. And now all of that is being wiped away.
I did read your whole comment. You stated that the country has “always been this way”, illustrated with one example, and claimed that this sums up our whole history. It doesn’t. But in our new meme-fueled standard of social discourse the world consists only of all-or-nothing Good vs Evil false dichotomies, so what’s the use.
Jim fucking Crow
Joe McCarthy
Japanese concentration camps in the USA
Kkk
Confederate plantation slave owners
George Custer’s slaughter of the Cheyenne
Andrew Jackson’s Indian removal act, and the trail of tears
Various race riots and massacres such as the many different Harlem massacres, new Orleans massacre, Tulsa massacre, first pillow massacre
And of course where it all started, The literal beginning of what would become the United States of America
Christopher god damned Columbus
I don’t know if it’s sloppy and irresponsible, sounds like a beaten down exhausted citizen.
Sounds perfectly reasonable, but being beaten down and exhausted doesn’t add merit to a lazy, superficial analysis of history. “We’ve always been a horrible country” is as stupid as “We’re the world’s shining light of justice and freedom.”
It’s the new normal. Get used to it and fall in line, worker!
Im really excited for the next election when the Dems force us to vote between Newsom and whatever mentally unstable nazi the republicans find, and we lose every branch again…
That’s a far too progressive stance for the Democrats. Maybe we should try Hillary again?
She’s got a shot… this time! If all else fails, how about some 90 year old senile guy, elderly leadership is trending among the younger demographics!
Whatever the Dems do, they need to do it in the most non-confrontational way possible, maybe a semi-strongly worded letter? Nothing too harsh, they just need to let everyone know they are not super chill with the current vibe. Hopefully they take it easy though, they definitely don’t want the Republicans to think they are impolite or rude
Because a sizable part of the population is apparently still too fucking stupid to realize that’s still a no-brainer decision to make.
Yeah, our countrymen are dipshits, but let’s not undersell how complicit the Dems are by constantly choosing to run candidates that their voting base feels they have to vote for begrudgingly.
And let’s not pretend like the decision isn’t between unregulated capitalism, and fascism. Yes one is the better choice, but I mean Jesus Christ it’s like trying to decide if you want to die by injection in 10 years or being boiled alive today, you die either way.
Hard to win elections when your voting base can’t be excited about you. Hence why gop is winning, it’s easier for a fascist to appeal to a dipshit than it is for a capitalist to appeal to a voter with the ability to think for themselves.
So, my question when I run into that argument is: who do you think people would rally behind?
There’s always this assumption that the party has someone that they know would be super popular but they then make a conscious choice to run the most conservative person to the left of the Republican.
There are primaries. They’re made up of people who can get enough support. The local parties are closer to voters, and it’s much easier for people to join.
Somehow the people who consistently get elected are the sort of people they keep fielding as candidates.So I’d love it if we had a great inspiring candidate. But literally who are they?
if you want to die by injection in 10 years or being boiled alive today, you die either way.
The first option at least gives tons of people extra time to escape to a more sane country.
But yeah, fuck the dems.
A sizable part of the population thinks holding down a liberal senator and tazing him is Based and are only upset that they can’t take part. A sizable part thinks if the police tackle you and slap cuffs on, you must have done something to deserve it.
This isn’t an issue of people being too stupid to understand what’s happening. This is decades of fascist propaganda from the right and decades of liberal cop-worship politics on the left all coming due.
Liberals are not “the left”. Liberals aren’t even left-of-center. Liberals are conservatives who sometimes have slightly progressive social policies.
Liberals are conservatives with enough brains to understand diversity equates to larger profit margins
More like the democratic leaders are too stupid yo try actually appealing to the population. Keep victim blaming though, and licking up whatever scraps the dems throw st you from the table. Like yall shoild literally be rioting to force a change of leadership in the democratic party, and should have done so the second kamala lost. Or even before that when she was just ‘chosen’ to replace biden.
David Hogg is trying to, and it pissed them off so much he was ousted. I’d suggest joining up with Leaders We Deserve, his action platform
thank you for proving them right by showing you have absolutely no capacity to think critically about your “team”.
Thanks for proving my point, too dense to understand it’s not about my “team”, it’s about making the decision that will cause the least harm.
The decision that would cause the least harm is not voting for democrats ever again, and forming a third party. You literally have them voting alongside actual fucking white supremacists, and this is your idea of “least harm”. THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH NAZIS ARE ALSO NAZIS, YOU TWATWAFFLE.
You’re either a nazi collaborator, like they are, or you’re a useful idiot.
Splitting a party in a FPTP system is the best way to ensure the opposing one keeps winning.
The choices are two: you either get a violent revolution started or you keep voting for the Dems. Anything else ranges from useless to deleterious.
Splitting the party? No, I mean creating a leftist party. I don’t want to split the Nazi-light liberal party, it’s filled with fascists and collaborators. let them continue to vote with actual fucking Nazis like the little brown shirts they are.
Genius-level strategy, not going to argue with you people anymore, just fucking useless. Saying is true, 1/3 of the population will murder 1/3 while the other 1/3 watches and spouts shit like this.
Your way gave us Nazis.
LMAO, keep telling yourself that
Yes the nazi is the better choice compared to the mentally unstable nazi. This is why dens are going to lose again and again until the country collapses and we’re rescued by someone invading us.
Sure, Newsom’s a nazi, fuck off.
Right before all of this he was literally making the rounds trying to woo and work with MAGAt influencers.
Yes, it is. All those white men had the freedom to push that Mexican guy to the ground and handcuff him. See, that’s real freedom, according to the Ten Commandments. It’s why we should put the Ten Commandments in every schoolroom, so people know what they say, and how they say DEI is bad. It’s right next to the Commandments about how oil belongs to America and the KJV is the only valid translation.
More of us than them, imagine what we can do together. Give them the boot!
Newsom has been aggressively rounding up homeless people for months, and threatening cities who protect them.
Do not go thinking he is one of the good guys.
There’s a difference between thinking he’s “one of the good guys” and getting glad he’s one of the few people in power standing up to trump, or at least threatening to.
People like him certainly should be held accountable for their bullshit. But bringing it up everytime someone is greatful he’s standing up to fascists only helps the fascists.
He’s not “standing up to Trump” for the people, but to assert his exclusive control of the territory. Which is why he is not speaking against militarized assaults on protests, which Newsom also enjoys, but rather against Trump encroaching on the governor’s fiefdom.
In a fight between fascists, you are not required to take either side. Stop reflexively licking the boot.
Also even with his messages regarding the LA protests he barely mentioned immigrants, more that he was losing control of his state
They’re only handcuffing the liberal ones.
Welcome to fascism.
Liberals aren’t speaking out against this in the first place.
Only the ones that speak out. Most liberals are fine with this
So an unelected figurehead of the federal government has come to my state, had a senator I voted for arrested over asking a question which is his civic duty to ask, and has now made threats at removal of my elected govenor as well as an elected mayor of one of the cities here.
At which point would these actions be considered tyrannical enough to provide a decent argument for a use of the 2nd amendment in court?
The 2nd amendment just says the government can’t take away your guns. It doesn’t say anything about it being okay for you to use them against the government.
I mean, hell, police kill people all the time, but the courts treat having a gun on your person as a reason the cops had to shoot you. So they can’t take away the gun, but they can take away your life for having it.
Basically you can use it as a security blanket to rock yourself to sleep at night, but get anywhere near the gestapo with it and you die a “terrorist.”
That’s a bridge that we’re just going to have to cross once they completely take over. We need them to have as much power as possible before we make a move. Also for the love of God don’t read, don’t protest, don’t act. Just wait.
Your sarcasm isn’t blatant enough unfortunately.
2nd amendment held up in court the moment first legal citizen was detained by ice.
If you’re asking this question; you know the answer… you’ve just elected to not do anything about it.
The question is still relevant. We can see the problem but there are still a range of responses available.
“Elected” haha, I know who’s getting my “vote” this year!
You already know the answer to this and have chosen to ignore it.
Now
Never, if we accept the intent of the 2nd amendment is to stop a tyrannical us government it does so be making sure you have the means for a rebellion (or the states actually). In that case you would not be judged for your actions like a criminal.
It of course does not apply to individuals taking action on their own (and they alone would not be able to bring down a regime). The best you could hope is a pardon/amnesty by a new pro democracy president/authority, if you are still alive.
do me a favor and read what you wrote again. I think you’re trying to say something but it’s impossible to tell.
The issue is on your end, my message is clear.
For those like me who didn’t know what exactly this was about, here’s a video of the incident:
Thank you.
What the actual fuck.
Dude looks like he deserves to be in cuffs trying to push his way through those people. Seems justified. Act like an animal, be treated like an animal.
✨Police State Things✨
Then they came for my weed
They’re really targeting California as a whole now. The state that supported the union so much over history. Republicans must really feel jealous that it is the richest state.
It’s a progressive state, I think that’s why they target it
Also because it’s the largest progressive state in size. If they can take down California then they will cheer it on as a major victory. Next up on the hit list the other blue states, Canada and finally Europe.
california needs to fucking secede and newsom needs to sack up and put the money where his mouth is.
You threaten to withhold federal taxes. Shit continues, You fucking do it. Once they know your threats are empty, the game is fucking over.
Secede? No, fuck that. Declare the current administration to be committing treason and lay seige upon the white house.
Not leaving fascists with nukes to endanger the world.
Republic of California
New California Republic (or NCR for short)
and now for the anthem:
wc:File:“I Love You, California”, by Knickerbocker Quartet and Elizabeth Spencer (cusb-cyl5053d).oga
I.
I love you, California, you’re the greatest state of all.
I love you in the winter, summer, spring and in the fall.
I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore.
I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.
Chorus
When the snow crowned Golden Sierras
Keep their watch o’er the valleys bloom,
It is there I would be in our land by the sea,
Every breeze bearing rich perfume.
It is here nature gives of her rarest. It is Home Sweet Home to me,
And I know when I die I shall breathe my last sigh
For my sunny California.
Please. We all know this is the real anthem of California.
Can USians at least try to save their country without immediately calling for secession? It’s so strange that people want to leave the States and break it apart without first making an effort.
USians
I’ve started using USAmericans, reflecting the full name of the country: USA, not US
Balkanization would be good for the states. Well, it would be good for some of the states, and for the world as a whole; it would be really bad for the people of the future Mormon Theocracy or whatever
no. the US no longer represents us or our values. fuck it.
Because the effort is no longer worthwhile. This country is irrevocably broken.
No, it’s not. Nothing irreversible has happened yet. People have been saying this since Dubya. I was there when people threatened to leave with every election, saying they would move to Canada because the country was done for, and it got so old so fast.
Consider that the only thing you’re doing is completing a self-fulfilling prophecy if you don’t resist.
And honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if some Russian social engineering campaign is encouraging people to follow this trend by repeating it on social media. Do not give in.
you are so naive it hurts.
Thanks, you too, I’ve seen you around. Lemme block right away. You still got that insufferable Reddit attitude written all over.
There is so much rot in congress, due to money. The fourth estate (the media) is also rotten to the core, due to money.
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010 is one of the irreversible things that happened already.
Seceding is probably not the right answer either, but it’s a serious uphill battle for We, the people, to regain control over Congress.
What was germany after ww2 then?
If the country is irrevocably broken how do you ensure a peaceful relationship when there’s two?
T bag loves a good wall. The problem every time secession comes up is it’s not north vs south anymore, it’s city versus rural. I live in a small city in one of the most conservative states in the US. My state voted for Trump by the highest margin in the nation, both times.
From where I’m sitting right now on my porch, I can see two pride flags flying in my immediate neighborhood. Our mayor is a Democrat and she’s actually not horrible.
But if you go just a bit outside the city, those pride flags are replaced by traitor flags. You almost completely stop seeing nonwhite people, just a bit outside the tiny cities.
It’s not that bad everywhere, but if you think there aren’t a shitload of bootlicking fascists in rural California you will be very surprised. 38% of the state voted for Trump.
More than 15Roughly 6 million Californians. EDIT- I mathed badI don’t know what’s going to happen, but I doubt secession is in the cards for anyone unless the Union is dissolved.
I like to remind people that 38% of votes is not 38% of the population approving of him. you have to consider that not all the eligible population voted, and those who are non-eligible likely aren’t licking his boots either. closer to 15% of the CA population voted for Trump, just over 6 million votes.
Good point. I know that and don’t know why I did the math that badly.
Hi friend, it seems you forgot the post you’re in. Don’t you think people need a safe space to ensure they won’t get taken away for standing up?
No, the next step isn’t accepting what just happened. We need to discuss this and express our anger loud and clear so we can get everyone on the same page and feel the momentum.
Being quiet is how you get fascist conformity. They can’t arrest everyone, and they won’t.
You threaten to withhold federal taxes.
Taxes are paid by individuals directly to the federal government. If an individual doesn’t pay their federal tax, the federal government goes after that individual. The federal government will take an individual’s money right out of their bank account. There’s no way for the state to withhold federal payments.
State taxes are filed separately and don’t go to the federal government.
there are many many ways not to pay taxes. i’m not gonna sit here and explain to you.
I think you need to explain it. Because the vast majority of federal income is from federal income taxes which the state has absolutely no ability to stop. It’s between the federal government and the citizen. If the State of California secedes the people still have bank accounts that the federal government will seize.
No they don’t. Keep it all up. Republicans currently in power have destroyed their parties future.
Since coming to power the damage that has been done to the right has shifted western democracies so hard left they are getting whiplash.
Apart from the obvious “arresting a senator for asking questions” thing, is whatever’s happening on this picture standard procedure for arresting an unarmed, unthreatening person in the US? It looks like they’re arresting a terrorist or a dangerous suspect
guilty of terrorism until proven innocent
No normally. I think they throw a knee on the neck for 9 to 10 minutes.
that’s their technique for arresting black people
Got to do it for the officer’s safety, asshole!
Have you thought about the blue lives?!
Thought about it. Still wanna grab em by the throat stab them.
Or whatever that Eminem song said
Oh man, that was guilty conscience and I think technically it was a dre song.
YAS KING
Have you thought about the blue lives?!
I have. In their current state, they are at the bottom of the list of lives that I care about, with every other living organism on the planet above them. If they work to remove the corrupt, fascist, and clearly unregulated members and leadership from their ranks, then I will reevaluate, until then they can stay there.
not 100% standard. but yeah, pretty standard. If its a rich white dude, generally the arrests are a lot gentler.
Nah bro. Don’t divide us like that just before the protests. We all get fucked up. Fuck the police.
Yeah, cops are racist as fuck. But they will gladly beat up anyone. Threaten too. I remember when I was a lot younger talking to a cop (i did’t know better at the time.) and suddenly he starts resting his hand on his holster and looking at me weird.
he starts resting his hand on his holster and looking at me weird.
FYI, in many states that action is very explicitly defined as Assault.
What state? Nothing shows up in a quick search. That could be considered ‘brandishing’ in my state which is a crime but certainly not assault.
Yeah, but if I pulled my gun out and blasted his pig ass I am not going to get off on self defense.
Prosecutors would definitely take that to trial, for sure. But it also depends on your jury. Being acquitted is definitely more likely as the days go by now. A lot of people no longer give law enforcement any sort of benefit of the doubt, often the exact opposite now.
You just need 1 member of that jury to decide that way and refuse to change their position to hang the jury, and then the prosecutors have to decide whether to bother with a retrial and do it all over again. Any time the first jury is unable to decide, that weighs heavily over any subsequent trial, whether it’s supposed to or not.
well it was in 2010 and I was living in a rural backwater so…
that rich white dude better respect the authorita, boy
the rich white dude is the authorita.
Not the one running that mouth, technically that’s an ally
Do you recognize the genocide in Gaza?
The standard procedure involves metal hitting the back of the skull until enough blood comes out that the victim can’t remember what happened.
Their training tells them that everyone is a dangerous suspect.
Authorities are claiming they were unable to know who he was at the time, and treated him as a potential threat.
You are going to get to hear that kind of verbiage a lot over the next few years
They were only following orders
happily
Fucking hate cop talk. The language they use in their reports is disgusting. They probably have a template that they just slightly modify. Template is already full of lies.
Of course they have a template, cops can barely read or write, they wouldn’t be able to report anything without serious hand-holding.
He stood up and announced he was a US Senator. The very first thing he did was identify himself. If they’re deaf then they shouldn’t be on active duty outside a desk job.
I’d like to hear (from the Authorities) what identified him particularly as a threat amongst all the other people in the room.
This is almost copy pasted from the shit they actually re saying.
When 99% of the police is weaker fatter and more out of shape than the “criminal” this is how they have to do it or everyone would just escape. Handcuff fat ass has the arm rotation of a dollar store action figure and is already out of breath from having to bend down. You can see it in the video.
They shoot to kill the latter two
