• ModestMeme@lemm.ee
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    6 days ago

    I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.

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        5 days ago

        trump isn’t the parody version… he is the logical, and inevitable end point. he is the perfect avatar and representation of what america is, what it stands for, and what it has ALWAYS stood for! trump is the perfect president because he so perfectly encapsulates every single american value: he is lazy, fat, stupid, corrupt, proudly ignorant and scared of anything he doesnt understand.

        how do you look at 250 years of american history and not see that he represents exactly what made america ‘great’? genocide, slavery, segregation and jim crow laws…

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      6 days ago

      No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.

      Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.

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      6 days ago

      These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.

      I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)

      Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.

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        6 days ago

        'cept the entire tankieverse saying that you shouldn’t vote for Biden (later Harris) because they’re the ones causing the genocide in Gaza. Like yes, they did jack all to fix it, but we all knew Trump would be even worse. Telling that to just about any tankie resulted in “How can it get any worse than genocide? Voting for Biden/Harris means you voted for genocide” or something along those lines.

        Didn’t take very long for Trump to go “lol Gaza is prime beachfront property tho, let’s get em fuckers out” after he got his throne back.

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          6 days ago

          Two different topics. Giving billions of dollars and unlimited diplomatic backup vs giving billions of dollar and unlimited diplomatic backup. There is nothibg different when it comes to gaza. But i never saw people here saying trump would be better for american

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            6 days ago

            It’s less that anyone said he’d be better for Americans and more that everyone said don’t vote for Harris, while Trump received no criticism. Getting dem voters to stay home is an old old republican strategy and the tankies definitely helped.

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        6 days ago

        I’ve heard lots of that and similar. Someone yelled at me in person the other day that “Kamala is just as bad.” You should be helping to counter those narratives instead of pretending they don’t exist and people aren’t buying into them.

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        5 days ago

        They accomplished saying the people that helped get us here with idiotic false rhetoric can go fuck themselves. I’ll add preferably with something sharp.