Newsom is shitty but THIS IS THE WAY!!!
Do it
That might break the statehood contract. Which would lead to repercussions. Which would lead to more repercussions…
As everybody involved well knows, of course.
yes too bad something needs to be done. sick of the world clowning on us。 everything has repercussions
Just fucking do it. Put us out of our misery.
What does this even mean? Like W2 taxes go directly from employer to federal right? What kind of control can California actually do to stop monetary flow to the federal government?
See, when people say Democrats need to start DOING things to push back against Trump, this is what they’re talking about.
Is this a foolproof idea? Probably not. Could it backfire? Possibly. Will it really help? If it makes the admin second-guess what it can get away with, yeah, that’s helpful. This is the energy we need. Stop playing softball with these fascists.
He literally hasnt done anything. More talk, no action, what’s new?
“Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington.”
So if Newsome cuts off the flow, it’s not just the $83B overage, it’s everything + $83B.
California is, what? 13th largest economy in the world? 11th?
Whoah… 4th. Just ahead of Japan and behind Germany:
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world/
US and China being #1 and 2.
You know? It really begs the question:
What’s preventing conservative states from being able to pay for their own social programs and infrastructure?
Is it liberal states absorbing all the wealth so that the conservative states can’t grow? Is it that being conservative is actually really really bad for the economy? Maybe they just never recovered from having slavery taken away and refused to adapt. Because there’s definitely something going on…
When a State actually takes care of it’s citizens, it becomes a better place to live and start businesses. That attracts and creates better educated and more affluent people, which makes it a better place to live and do business. People flee the poorer states for a better chance at success in the liberal state. Repeat this for a century or so and that’s how conservative states become shitholes and liberal states (and countries) are much better off.
Not everyone who would move can afford to move.
That’s kind of the point. Financial capability is what leads this divergence. Those who have wealth take their wealth with them, leaving the state they come from further impoverished.
The discussion is not about equity or equality (which is what I believe your comment is pointing to), but instead looking at why this divergence potentially occurs.
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It is true, but how does that contradict their argument or disprove it in any way?
I didn’t say it did. F those poor people, I guess.
Personally, I think climate has a lot to do with it. Texas overcomes their climate because of oil, but look at the bottom 10 GDP states compared to the top 10:
Top 10:
California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
Washington
New JerseyYou’re going to boil your ass working in Texas, Florida, and Georgia. Oil makes it worth it in Texas. Agriculture, aerospace and defense in Georgia, apparently. Tourism in Florida.
Bottom 10:
West Virginia
Delaware
Maine
Rhode Island
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Alaska
Wyoming
Vermont1/2 of this list is known for brutal cold. I think all Rhode Island produces is commuters to New York. LOL.
California, propping up red states since 1970’s…
Did something happen then that started to prevent red states from having functional economies?
Average population intelligence and education.
Inbreeding catches up to everyone.
Regularity capture. Lobbying. Lead poisoning. Terrible politicians. Regressive tax policies.
Texas is the 8th largest economy in the world.
that blew my mind recently.
I’m too lazy to verify my hunch, but I’m guessing Texas is largely oil (exploiting natural resources), whereas California is largely intellectual output (tech, with some Hollywood and other sundry stuff), though California certainly does exploit its natural resources too (good farming conditions, some oil…).
No, they have a ton of industry. Specifically a lot of the actual weapons manufacturing btw.
Texas is more or less what Ukraine was to the Soviet Union, if you want to understand why a fascist loser like Putin is so hung up on getting it back. A significant source of resources, manufacturing, and expertise.
Is weapons manufacturing a social program? 🤔🫴
US weapons manufacturing is an Israeli housing program.
Ukraine was the California of the USSR but with the natural resources of Texas
California doesn’t, or didn’t, have a history as an independent state or popular desire to be so.
Mmm yeah, fair. Texas does have some more direct parallels in that realm
Wine too I bet for California.
Agriculture in general, really.
It’s all oil.
4th largest.
That jerk is just going to make Musk their fascist king
Newsom is the King of awful neoliberalism. If the tech oligarchs demand fascism we’ll get fascism in California too. You’re not wrong. But Musk has proven himself to be a useless child. That’s not how things would go. The ruling class isn’t that stupid. That’s why Trump kicked him out. Use him as tool? Absolutely. But Musk is basically political poison. But then again, the Democrats have been so incompetent they might actually try to work with him publicly.
The only thing libs want is money. He has more of that then anyone else in the world.
Seems like that’s all he needs to buy Newsom
This fucker needs to put his money where his mouth is. He has been too deferential to Trump so far.
This is the first stage of sedition.
The US is literally about to become divided. The DSA
Based
Considering how Trump is gutting the IRS I wonder why I’m paying federal taxes.
So people with more money than you don’t have to?
If you don’t want to support trump’s federal government, you don’t have to.
I know someone that hasn’t paid their taxes in years and they’ve yet to face consequences. I genuinely do wonder if the IRS has the capability to enforce tax collection atm.
They “caught” me because I forgot to file the paperwork showing my employer arranged me paying my taxes on vesting stock shares. Couldn’t have been more than four figures. I’m glad they’re on the case of small-fry tax “cheats.”
Meanwhile, billionaires pay nothing in taxes.
But billionaire are supposed to pay nothing. That’s intentional. Lol.
why are you paying federal taxes? There are so many easy ways not to.
More info please
fictional charitable donations are just one idea, but there are many others.
Oh, guess that doesn’t work for standard deduction/low income. At any rate, I’d probably just donate to known, reputable charities, and/or not deduct.
yup, the standard deduction sucks. don’t use it. and you don’t actually need to donate much of anything. all you need are receipts and maybe photos. just don’t go over 10k.
Seeing as how donactions are only a deduction from your taxable income, 10k won’t get you to not paying taxes unless you make like 20 or 30k or something. And I gotta think thier system will flag that, probably just assuming it was a typo.
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Yeah, it’s not really worth it for low income. And tax preparers don’t even accept receipts from certain organizations anymore because this organizations hand out blank receipts and tell the donors to fill them out, which led to rampant and blatant abuse.
I’ve largely stopped, they can pry it from my cold dead hands after I die I guess.
did you stop or did you just not file your tax return?
I stopped like 80% worth and I still file my returns. I’m on a stupid cheap payment plan and year over year it just keeps adding up and they just keep saying to make the agreed upon payment.
My friend’s been doing it like 12 years now and owes into the six figures, no ramifications, his goal is to die with a huge balance. I’m only like 2 years in. It was originally like 25% unpaid but after this years shenanigans I upped it significantly.
I cannot advise this at all by the way, it could go very badly, but if I can at least make it another 2-3 years before I permanently leave the US, that’d be good.
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I mean I’m fairly certain what he’s doing is legal. It is illegal to not file you taxes, it isnt a jailable offense to not pay them.
The rules don’t apply anymore, are you not paying attention?
It’s beyond time for California to defund Trump.
i cheated my fucking ass off on my taxes. i did my part.
Love that username, even if he is innocent 😎
He doesn’t miss, I know this because we were target shooting that whole week.
Keep fighting the good fight brother.
Can someone explain how this would work? When I work a job and they withhold money from my check, they then pay that withheld money along with the matching taxes paid by the business directly to the federal government, don’t they? Would the state just order the businesses to send the money to them instead? If my tax dollars don’t get sent to the fed, wouldn’t the IRS still come after me to pay them?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for it. I just don’t understand the mechanics of how it would work.
Just declare that jobs within the state no longer collect it, and provide a hotline to identify employers who don’t comply. It’s not like the IRS has the people to manage federal enforcement.
Damn. Sounds exactly like a way to boost small businesses profits as they steal taxes they won’t pay. This type of policy can’t be left to the businesses and a phone line. Just saying. It needs to be collected by the state imo. Placed into state Medicaid, Medicare, or a new universal healthcare plan for California.
Sounds good to me. My main point was that a state could do it.
Can someone explain how this would work?
I think to pull this off California would need to enact some sort of large state tax and then offer tax rebates. Then California could capture the money before it’s sent to the fed.
One way would be the actual taxes paid on state, county, and municipal employee salaries. That’s going to represent a large source of federal taxes that the state could divert. I’m sure there are other taxes paid by the state that could be withheld.
None of them have the balls to actually do any of this. This is just Gavin trying to score points for 2028, the slimeball.
👆You don’t interview Charlie Kirk on the first episode of your podcast and think withholding federal taxes is a serious idea.
It’s a serious idea if you have an army to fight the federal government.
California doesn’t.
Or you get the attention of centrists that appreciate and vote for tough guys, and then act like a tough guy?
They can’t stop the fed from collecting taxes on individuals or businesses. State agencies, maybe, but even then. Individuals get taxed by the fed.
They could probably pass a law that companies within California pay taxes to the fed through an escrow account held by the state, pass the data through so if nothing crazy happens, it doesn’t really affect anybody, and get enough companies to comply that Trump would back down.
The courts would eventually decide whether or not it was legal, but by then Trump will have moved off to another target to performatively attack while pretending to help people who aren’t multi-millionaires while siphoning their money instead.
SCOTUS would suddenly love the supremacy clause.
I’d be fine if the west coast joined Canada somehow. I realize it’s probably unrealistic and impossible, but one can dream.
Source: Live on the west coast.
This Canadian doesn’t want the added baggage of American guns, Jesus, and hubris.
As a Canadian who lives on the US West Coast, I probably wouldn’t have a hard time with that personally.
I’d rather be an independent republic, with all the regions in California becoming states of this new country. And the new constitution must be made so that we don’t have neglect of vast areas of our country, just like we currently have with the US constitution. Otherwise I can foresee far northern California and parts of the central valley becoming bitter right wing states which trample on individuals rights, just like all the red states of the current country.
No states 1 country. Otherwise we’d have our own Mississippi and Arkansas out in bum fucksville
Yeah usually I would disagree but having no state level divisions would be decent, it also would make things easier if we need to unite with WA, OR, NV, or AZ. Since then we could just reactivate the state level shit again.
But that might UPSET Trump and we CANT have THAT!
-The DNC!
How would CA even do this? Most of the taxes go from people to the feds without the state as an intermediary.
Doge just gutted the irs. Who will collect?
CA could just offer an service to run the irs around in circles or even pay for your audit.
Create an escrow account, and tell CA businesses that federal withholding goes there. Same with payments by individuals.
Maybe some won’t. But most probably will. Especially if you plan to tell them you’ll fund Medicare/aid and snap from it.
Are you saying Newsome is so smart and brave he risks checks notes putting individual constituents at risk?
where there is a will, there is a way.
Only problem I see with this plan is the Mustard Mussolini’s fox and friends would push the federal financial systems to cut off Californians from the banking network, effectively embargoing the state.
As much money as it has, it’s not totally self sufficient.
Plan a bit first, get some other states to join in, and countries who are sick of Trump’s shit to help supply.
Worst case is the president comes in with military, while the Cali national guard could be called up, technically they can be federalized, court battles, federal soldiers looking to arrest Newsom.
Cali, Washington, New York, New Jersey splitting though would be a hell of a blow, cripple shipping.
National guard would be under the control of the president.
What you want is the State Guard (which is often trained by and shares members with the national guard.) the state guard cannot be coopted by the president. They answer only to the governor.
