• SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world
      261·
      6 days ago

      You’re jumping through a lot of hoops to portray Joss as aggressive so you can justify his murder. Let’s start here:

      1.) All three dogs were found

      Nothing in the article confirms they only had three dogs. On top of that, other sources you posted said they only found 2 dogs. Including this video from earlier today that is even more recent than the article that alleges they lost their three which is from Janurary. We also have no idea if there were more than 3 dogs, because the term they found all three dogs isn’t anywhere in your source. Simply that they found 3, and that number isn’t even likely correct. (Edit: On re-read, Sources 2, 3 and 4 all cite 2 dogs being lost in the fire. Did you even read your own sources and confirmed you had the correct number before you started spouting off?)

      2.) 3.) What caused the fire?

      This is a weird, semantic, pedantic, hill to die on. The police themselves say they don’t know what caused the fire. If it was an accidental fire from a propane heater, grill, etc, it would be incredibly easy to determine if that was the origin point of the fire. The fact they couldn’t determine the cause is either a sign to their utter incompetence, or that there was foul play. Even your own source for 4 had this quote:

      I have classified this fire to be undetermined in nature at this time but cannot rule out human involvement intentional or unintentional

      They already knew there was a heat source, but they can’t confirm the fire started from there? That’s extremely suspect. Meanwhile getting away with arson is fairly easy due to the nature of fire. Given these circumstances, you needs a lot more evidence to prove Jonathan Joss was the person responsible for his house fire. On top of that, Joss’ house wasn’t insured. So it’s not like he or his husband caused it for the insurance payout.

      4.) 5.) Previous incidents.

      He was loud and brazen in his neighborhood, likely because of the abuse he received. However there is zero evidence that Jonathan ever aimed his crossbow at his neighbors house. The only evidence for this claim from a few anonymous sources, and the fact they found a crossbow on his property during a search. The pitchfork wielding was because he found his dog dead. Again, nothing in your first text proves whatsoever that Jonathan didn’t find his third dog. Or even that Jonathan only had 3 dogs. Considering even the NBC source says 2 dogs found, that’s 2 sources to your 1 saying otherwise. So it seems like there were only 2 dogs found.

      6.) SAFFE investigation

      First off, I’d like to see any evidence to the claim that Johnathan would shoot guns pr fire his crossbow from his property. I haven’t seen a single substantiated claim that has ever happened. Second, the crossbow incident can’t be substantiated whatsoever either. Jonathan had a crossbow, but there’s zero evidence he ever brought it to his neighbors house. Plus it’s weird that you bring that up like it happened repeatedly. Even if it did happen, which again there’s zero evidence to it having happened, it only happened once.

      And literally none of your sources ever once ask or answer where all of this animosity stemmed from. It very much seems like it could be a hate-crime, and its weird that you’re in multiple threads railing against Joss. You have a weird vendetta it seems.

        • Madison420@lemmy.world
          8·
          6 days ago

          No. I said that this isn’t a hate crime.

          So you’re jumping through hoops and to conclusions. Take your own advice guy.

        • SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world
          81·
          7 days ago

          invent your own bullshit narratives

          Funny, you’re the one that’s been doing that. Especially since you’ve been spreading outright false info to push your point.

          Edit: I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone throw a tantrum in their edits the way OP just did lmao

    • priapus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      211·
      7 days ago

      Jonathan Joss also said a few months ago he burned his house down with his dogs in it after leaving a propane heater on.

      Source? The report I saw said he used a barbecue indoors but that it was turned off and the investigation didnt find it to be the cause.

      Even if he had other issues, the killer still shot him while shouting homophobic slurs at him. It doesnt change it being a hate crime.

      • Woht24@lemmy.world
        518·
        7 days ago

        I think you need to do some reading on what a hate crime is.

        Driving down to a gay bar and indiscriminately attacking gays because they are gay? That’s a hate crime.

        Getting into an argument and shooting your neighbour you’ve had many arguments and threats with before - just a regular old murder.

        • priapus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          12·
          7 days ago

          Its possible they were shot for different reasons, but Joss’s husband and another neighbor both stated that they were harassed due to his sexuality. Joss clearly worsened the tensions with his neighbor, but it seems very likely that it initially started due to their issues with his sexuality.

    • pahlimur@lemmy.world
      115·
      7 days ago

      Disagree on the two people needing help. The shooter doesn’t deserve help and obviously was a bigoted racist. Joss definitely needed help, but the shooter? Fuck 'em.

      If my neighbor, who is a crazy abusive asshole, was doing everything you described i wouldn’t shoot them. Who the fuck shoots people for being crazy?

        • pahlimur@lemmy.world
          71·
          7 days ago

          I like your way with words. I still completely disagree with having sympathy for the shooter. Its not just your comment that’s driving my feelings and I haven’t bought into the “he was a harmless gay guy” narrative either. In general I have very little sympathy for people who choose to shoot someone for a disagreement.

          I may put people into different groups than most. I’ve encountered too many crazy people over the years I think. Most of them are so much more evil than most people would like to believe. Its fine to think most people are inherently good. Because it’s probably true. The real issue is the percent of people who just suck, and dont deserve help, beyond being walked into their own grave.

  • Lemminary@lemmy.world
    2521·
    7 days ago

    For anyone who doesn’t know what happened that night, Jonathan and his husband were visiting their former house that had been burned down when they saw that their pet dog’s skull had been placed on a fence for them to see. The couple began wailing out of desperation and terror, and that’s when the neighbor showed up with a gun, yelling homophobic slurs. John’s husband was to be shot when he pulled him away and took the bullet for him instead.

    Not only were they terrorized, but also ambushed and killed in cold blood. John died doing the ultimate sacrifice. John is a hero.

    • kautau@lemmy.world
      135·
      7 days ago

      Don’t forget that they had received homophobic threats about burning their house down. I have zero doubt in my mind the murderer was just upset they didn’t die in the fire.

      • Raltoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        139·
        7 days ago

        It was years of threats, mostly from the same guy that shot him. Cops ignored the reports, and then instantly declared that no hate crime was committed without investigating anything.

        They didn’t realize that he knew a-listers, tried to sweep it under the rug, and now they have an international spotlight on them

            • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned from community
              32·
              6 days ago

              You’re right, thinking that violence against people is okay abd holy and a precondition of my eternal reward I get for being ontologically good just because the people and ways they love are different from me is exactly the same as thinking oi should protect myself from violent delusional fanatics who have been persecuting me since i was a child, left me homeless before the age of 18, and have traumatically abused hundreds and killed dozens of people i personally have cared about, is exactly the same. I feel like such an ass.

              Ill call up the police, explain how queer i am, and report to the camps for extermination at 9 AM sharp.

                • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned from community
                  22·
                  6 days ago

                  Right, i don’t have a right to my emotions. I would be sorry i ever believed otherwise, but that would be stealing my emotions from god, which is a sin. I understand now. Which i think is also a sin and will damn me to eternal hellfire, and make it ethical and fair for the agents of the church to hunt me down and flay me in public so the flock might be soothed by the cries of the guilty, but what’s done is done. Oopsy.

                  Only christians are allowed to hate. Only the unclean must be cleansed. I get it. I repent. I dont have anything sharp here but im on the 4th floor, so i think if i jump head first, gods will will be done. Im so sorry i enjoy licking pussy. I never understood that was the equivalent of genocide before.

        • kautau@lemmy.world
          54·
          7 days ago

          Yeah let’s see what it leads to. I’m not holding my breath. Having the international spotlight on you seems to mean very little today in the fascist infused homophobic mindset. A whole lotta fist shaking

  • 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆@lemmy.worldEnglish
    125·
    7 days ago

    Not just a gay issue though. Fuck these inbred subhuman freaks of stupidity that can’t stop obsessing over who someone else fucks at night. Those kinds of disorders are not okay. Those kinds of people have no right to exist in freedom. I come from one of these backwards psychotic prejudiced backgrounds. I had the sense to walk away from my social support network because they are wrong and deranged; blind to their own prejudice and hate. No excuses.

    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
      152·
      7 days ago

      Also not just a gay issue because

      for men

      • are you not a gym bro? They can just accuse you of being effeminate and do the same thing to you, even if you’re straight

      • are you a gym bro? They can just accuse you of being hyper masculine and obsessed with men/your looks and do the same thing to you, even if you’re straight

      for women the same but with femininity / hair length / makeup usage /clothing.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
      262·
      7 days ago

      Not even a hate accident.

      Just a ‘yup’ in the alley between the men, the gun probably slipped.
      So tragic.
      Everyone needs more guns.

      (I don’t need a “/s”, do I? I get surprised sometimes.)

    • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world
      221·
      7 days ago

      I have a group of friends that I ride horses with who are wanting me to take a trip to Texas with them. I denied my invite, saying that I’d rather stay alive. As an openly gay, disabled woman who will be getting a total hysterectomy next month, I feel like I’d be vilified.

        • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world
          91·
          7 days ago

          I wouldn’t blame you if you never meet them. I’ve known a couple people from Texas who moved across the country to where I’m at just to get away from it all.

          • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
            4·
            7 days ago

            His mom and a couple brothers have come out to visit at least, so I’ve met some of his family. I’m hoping his dad will come out at some point.

            I just feel really bad about not going out to their family events and what not. I was actually going to go last Christmas, bought a plane ticket and everything. I went to the airport gate, turned around, and went home and cried instead…

            • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world
              3·
              6 days ago

              I wouldn’t feel bad about it, especially if your partner isn’t pushing for you to meet them. Sounds like the situation is a delicate one.

              When I got back into contact with my father (who I cut ties with because he was a drunk/addict, was not mentally stable, and was absent and abusive), we met on my terms. Neutral ground and I brought my mom for backup. I cried so much before that meet and almost chickened out.

              I don’t really have any advice or whatever, but I totally understand the anxiety you feel. If you ever wanna talk about it, just dm me and I’ll lend an ear.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
      6·
      6 days ago

      This hurts as a Texan, but also rings true. I used to think we’re more “independent” minded than the South (as I have some scary Southern family), but every day since 2016 has opened my eyes more.

      The murder made me think about how much I heard “fag,” racial slurs and worse as a kid, and how many stayed in the closet out of fear.

      If you come, come to Austin! It’s better. Avoid Dallas, it sucks.

    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned from community
      44·
      7 days ago

      No. My ass is a shit hole. Nobody’s ever been killed over my ass.

      Then again; I’ve never let a christian nest there.