• jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I think I understand what you are saying, but that is the nature of a society.

    We all have our own unique upbringings and experiences that shape us.

    Political tribalism helps increase the difficulty of uniting the working class. Divide and conquer is still relevant in our society, especially with identity politics and social issues.

    I think it fundamentally goes back to:

    It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.

    It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.

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      The problem with this sentiment is that you misrepresent the points of contention. This is not a disagreement over people’s preferred pizza toppings, where parties can safely “agree to disagree.” We are talking about positions that pose a clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist. Do you really think this hasn’t been discussed? Do you genuinely think this hasn’t been talked about, debated, argued, demonstrated, illustrated, and experienced ad infinitum for literal decades?

      The reason you are being downvoted (and justly so) is that your argument in this case is literally a form of victim-blaming. People being actively harmed, abused, and oppressed are under no obligated whatsoever to try and meet their aggressors in the middle or to concede any part of their existence to them. This disease was festering long before the internet existed. “Echo chambers” have nothing to do with it. It a matter of good versus evil, right versus wrong, liberty versus death. Neither the oppressed mor their defenders will lie down and die because you are inconvenienced by conflict they never wanted.

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        Divide and conquer strategies work.

        I am saying that we need to unite the working class where we agree, not just focus on where we disagree.

        The duopoly will always work against the working class while handing out crumbs so as to win some small points.

        We must build a rainbow coalition (Black Panther Party) instead of continuing the political tribalism of blue versus red teams (Bloods versus Crips).

        That is why I mentioned:

        It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.

        It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.

        It takes time and effort to build up a rainbow coalition, but it is possible.

        Chris Smalls was able to do it with the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island; instead of talking to people where they disagree, they come together on things that they agree with.

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        We are talking about positions that pose a clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist.

        Example 2 of why Trump is in power, and how you guys still don’t get it.

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      Right, but for some of us, our upbringings and experiences include, “Reading actual works of political theory” while for others it involves, “Watching cable TV.” An ignorant viewpoint is not on an equal level as an informed one.

      Of course, uniting the working class is important, but that doesn’t mean falling into “Tailism,” that is, adopting reactionary views to ingratiate ourselves to a reactionary population. The goal is to spread education and knowledge to make the population less reactionary. It is necessary, to a degree, to meet people where they’re at and to accommodate their concerns, but there is a line to be drawn. Engaging in Tailism fractures the left, alienates comrades who will object for legitimate reasons, legitimizes reactionary views, and makes a movement far more susceptible to opportunists, who are only concerned with their own advancement and willing to sell out members of the working class, since, you know, that’s what Tailism is.

      If you want to actually build a working class coalition, the most important thing is to practice solidarity. Everyone is part of a minority, in a sense. For instance, whatever job you have, most people aren’t involved in that field. Being a minority in a democracy is inherently precarious, because the majority could take your rights away. Solidarity means an alliance between disparate groups to stand together for mutual defense. But that alliance is broken when you sell out a group for political gain. Not only do you lose that group, but every group in the coalition starts wondering if they’ll be next, and starts worrying about themselves than coming to the defense of others who might be more in the crosshairs. If solidarity breaks down, then how can the working class be united?

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        3 hours ago

        Thanks for your comment!

        I agree, identity politics and social issues are divide-and-conquer strategies the duopoly uses against the working class.

        We need to build a rainbow coalition (Black Panther Party), similar to how Chris Smalls was able to make the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island.

        Bringing together the working class on what we agree on instead of focusing on what we don’t agree on.

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          …Which protects the rights of marginalized people such as trans people even especially when those rights are under attack, right?

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            The working-class coalition would help bring people together on working-class struggles.

            If you look at the history of these movements, they involved befriending the KKK and conflicting gangs, where they are coming together to help fight against the ruler class.

            This would also include when any group’s rights are under attack.

            To be able to do that, dialogue would have to be possible within these movements and organizations.

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                And that is why divide-and-conquer strategies work.

                Building a working-class coalition requires bringing people together from all walks of life, not cherry-picking one or the other.

                Again, this is difficult and time-consuming; it will not be easy.

                Learning from the history of past working-class coalition attempts, we know that they are infiltrated and the leaders are assassinated and smeared.

                Dialogue works; it helps bring opposing movements and organizations, gangs, together to help bring about a working-class movement.

                Chris Smalls was able to achieve a great stepping stone when he was able to make the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island by bringing people from all walks of life and not cherry-picking certain groups and excluding them from the working-class movement.

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                  Chris Smalls was able to achieve a great stepping stone when he was able to make the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island by bringing people from all walks of life and not cherry-picking certain groups and excluding them from the working-class movement.

                  Sorry, I wasn’t aware that one of the “walks of life” Chris Small brought people in from was the fucking KKK. For that matter, I don’t recall the Black Panthers befriending the KKK either! Huh, how about that!

                  Fucking brainworms.

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                    Chris Small brought people in from was the fucking KKK.

                    I did not say Chris Smalls brought the KKK and other groups to ALU; I said that he brought the working-class people together on what they agreed on so as to build the Amazon Labor Union.

                    He did not start the movement by excluding certain groups, gangs, movements, organizations, or political leanings.

                    great stepping stone

                    I included Chris Smalls as an example of what can be done when we focus on bringing people together instead of focusing on excluding certain groups and political leanings when it comes to building a working-class movement.

                    I was not able to find when the Black Panther Party worked with groups associated with the KKK, but they did try to bring white organizations into their working-class movement.

                    One was the Young Patriot Organization (YPO), which was based in Hillbilly Harlem, an uptown neighborhood of Chicago populated by displaced white southerners. Many YPO members were racist, and they flaunted controversial symbols associated with southern pride, such as the Confederate flag. But like blacks and Latinos, the white Young Patriots and their families experienced discrimination in Chicago. In their case, it was because they were poor and from the South.[1]

                    Here is a short video on the Rainbow Coalition of the Black Panther Party:

                    From North to South: Chairman Fred Hampton and the original Rainbow Coalition [09:37 | MAR 25 2021 | Reckon] https://lemmy.world/post/30176761


                    1. [1] https://archive.is/CBXnU ↩︎