me and mozilla go way back, to the days of netscape navigator. we’re old friends… even through the worst of times (aol ownership), i’ve stood by my best bud.
Lol, not me! I dropped that shit when it was the slowest, most bloated memory hog! Luckily, it’s much improved now, and is easily the best browser out there…
Firebird for me.
Same
I remember back then when people stop using FF because it used more PC resources than the OS itself and all started using Chrome because it was fast and lightweight.
Joke’s on them, I never stopped using Firefox.
Mental how it is genuinely the other way around now, but on the masses people might not even know that a computer has limited resources so that’s probably a contributor to no mass exodus to FF.
The average person definitely doesn’t have a good understanding of computational resources, but they will use an application they find smoother and less clunky than another. Realistically the performance and resource usage of chrome is not going to be bad enough to drive most people to Firefox these days, and Firefox won’t be enough of an improvement for most people to notice. Chrome also had a huge marketing campaign when it launched… I suspect that was crucial for getting people to adopt chrome (otherwise how do you even get people to think about switching?), but I don’t think Mozilla has the resources for such a campaign. Time will tell, though. I hope we’ll see more people switching to Firefox in the future.
Free resources are wasted resources.
Excessive resources usage is wasted energy.
I paid for the whole CPU, I’ll use the whole CPU. /s
Not necessarily. Using more RAM doesn’t increase energy usage, at least not significantly. And if you can use that to avoid making disk or network accesses, it’ll save energy. Obviously keeping the CPU spinning at 100% isn’t helping anybody, though.
If it forces you to buy more RAM, it does. I think most notebook laptops have had their RAM specified based on browser needs those past years as it became the main application by far.
That’s a good point.
Always has been.
As someone using Firefox for basically ever, Chrome has always seemed like bloated garbage to me. Deleted it a while back and never looked back.
same story here
I switched about 2 years ago when I turned on sync. It’s just so reliable and fast, it’s simple and does its job perfectly. Frequently send tabs between devices and it’s instantaneous, bookmarks get synced immediately as well. Also they promise they don’t sell our data to advertisers which is a plus, though I can’t verify it and they could go rogue in the future idk. Also the fact that the browser is not intrusive at all is a huge plus. No annoying popups “try feature X” “login with your google account now” etc etc.
I do have some issues with it but that’s mostly because some people/companies don’t properly test their website on firefox. Also had an issue with its performance in the past, but now lately it feels as fast as chrome both on android and pc.
In that case, you never got to use Chrome’s first versions. Because Chrome felt 20x faster than any other browser including Firebird/Firefox. It was later that it became a bloated beast.
True debloaters use qutebrowser
browsh, that way you don’t need one of those pesky desktop environments.
I used Vimprobable for a while. But I came to miss some of the gui features.
I had my first website tell me today that I can’t access their domain on FF. It was Adobe. Fuck em
Please report the issue at https://webcompat.com/
You’re better off without them, for sure!
Maybe changing the user agent will work
I’m not a fan of the inability to drag a tab into a snapping position, I have to drag it out, then drag the new window to the snap location.
And apparently this has been a documented issue for 15 years, and there’s been little to no progress in all that time.
The open source community works in mysterious ways. This bug reminds me about the audio via HDMI bug for old radeon video cards. A simple flag in kernel configuration could have fixed it, yet the bug has been present in kernels from something like 4.1 to 6.0. It only recently has been fixed, after years of having to patch your kernel for a very simple bug.
The secret is fixing it yourself and submitting a pull request for approval/further additions.
Unless its GNOME in which case the maintainers will tell you to screw off and you will promptly switch to a better alternative.
I’m trying, I don’t know much about JS or the Firefox codebase, but I’ve been reading for hours and I’m getting a grasp of how it currently works.
Now I’m tryna see how chromium does it to either replicate, or inspire.
When it comes to open-source software, usually it’s absolutely critical bugs that get patched or necessary features that get worked on, since it’s really just volunteer work.
Pay every contributor a salary to make the program “feel” nice instead of actually bloody work (hi every ms app), then we’ll talk.
They went from Chromium based, to just Based.
I really want to switch back but… honestly: Chromium Edge, despite a few annoying features being shoved in your face, is actually a really nice browser IMO. It’s definitely going to take some time to get used to FF again.
I’m so used to things like vertical tabs, icon only bookmarks, etc… I know I can change a lot in FF myself, but having to add custom css and whatnot on every device I use FF on is just annoying.
Firefox Sync should keep all your settings and extensions synced for each install
I had custom css in FF and Firefox sync did not sync those manual edits.
There are tons of extensions for tab management for Firefox. If vertkcal tabs is just that they’re arranged in lines instead of columns, I’ve used Tree Style Tab and Sidebery, and there are many others.
Use the sidebery add-on, along with a vertical Firefox CSS theme = problem solved.
you can pry the vivaldi tab management out of my cold dead hands
I do not know Vivaldi, but I live and die by Tree-Style Tabs. It puts the tabs on the side and arranged them in trees that can be managed as groups. It’s the add-on that has kept me on Firefox.
For me it’s the killer app of Firefox. Chrome actually has a tree style tab but it functions different and sucks.
I just don’t want to use the internet if I can’t use tree style tab. It’s so much better than default tabs.
Same. Treestyle Tabs and wide-screen are the perfect couple.
I’m not sure if the entire functionality can really be replicated, but Firefox does have a pretty good add-on selection, maybe you can find one that suits your needs.
Because this is not the first time I’ve heard about Vivaldi tab management, I looked over a couple videos and it really seems impressive, props to them for doing something really cool in this department. However I know myself, and I’d use maybe half the features that are present, most likely even less. If this is also true for you, I’m almost sure a Firefox add-on could be a suitable replacement:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-manager-plus-for-firefox/
https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/too-many-open-tabs-extensions-to-the-rescue/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
At the end of the day you obviously don’t need to switch if you don’t want to, I would just be really amazed if it turned out the main tab mgmt features from Vivaldi were never added to an add-on.
Amen brother.
You can just pry Vivaldi out of my cold, dead hands. No other browser comes close to its customisability. As long as it runs adblockers and sponsor block, I’m using it.
Switched last night and damn, Firefox has gotten so much better. Used to be the first browser I manually installed around 2004, until Chrome released around 2008 or something. I love that it has extensions on mobile and bookmark/history sync now.
Yup, uBlock Origin makes the mobile web actually usable!
Oh wow thanks! I didn’t know there were mobile add-ons. (I just didn’t check)
Yeah after they got the sync up and running it’s been so awesome. Welcome to the right side :D
One sneaky thing I love is the ability to put the bookmarks bar to the right of the search bar. Get a little extra real estate that way.
Should show edge and brave in the corners
Edge is chromium based
That’s the joke
So is Brave, and more or less every popular browser aside from FF.
So actually, Mudasir is the other guy
/lore
Firefox is King 👑
Just so that I can keep track of the score, I actually moved from Firefox to DuckDuckGo, because Firefox was considered not respecting privacy. This was not so many years ago.
Are we now saying today that the tables are turned? Or just that both are bad, but one is less bad?
Everything > Chrome/Chromium
The reality is that to the average user all browsers are the same. A lot of technologies have sort of peaked for regular people and browsers are one of those. There was a time when you needed plugins to do basic things like view PDFs or videos, to play games (flash, java) and there would be a new major change to HTML or CSS every few months etc.
That’s no longer a problem. All browsers are near equal in their ability to render pages. So people are naturally going to go with what feels familiar. We lost the battle for market share the minute Google decided to advertise Chrome on their search page.
Everything > Chrome/Chromium
Today.
Previously, it was Firefox > Everything, so that’s why I was asking.
ff forks like librewolf are based
ff forks like librewolf are based
Heard good things about Librewolf.
Switched from Brave to LibreWolf few weeks ago and I love it.
LibreWolf is extra blessed
I’ve moved back to Firefox but damn it keeps mangling my streaming audio in some cases and there doesn’t seem to be a fix despite spending most of last night going through the limited solutions. Seems like this is a common problem for many Firefox users so Chrome will stay in play for some of these uses.
Previously Chrome did it all…
try librewolf, maybe it works :)
