Well, just that. Wich is stronger against trackers, hackers and doxxing threats? Proton VPN (I’m using this one actually), or Mullvad VPN?

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    There’d thundermail coming out soon, which will probably have mullvad included. This also funds firefox too which is nice.

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    I use Proton currently since it comes with my proton subscription. But I used mullvad for years and prefer it. They’re both good, you can’t go wrong really.

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    If you don’t need proton’s whole suite of tools I say go for mullvad.

    You can also just test them both out for yourself. Try mullvad for one month, proton another. The nice thing with mullvad I believe is that it’s way more anonymous in terms of various forms of payment and I believe it has a fixed price.

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    Mullvad any day. Support is awesome.

    If you go with Mullvad look for the gift cards out there that are for 6 or 12 months of service. I grabbed one off Amazon.ca for 12 months at $75. Works out to be cheaper than paying per month with the ever changing exchange rates.

    I also like the fact that Mullvad has servers in the city I live in where as Proton has them on the west coast or east coast. Not the greatest for those in the middle of the country.

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    I prefer Mullvad. I’ve found it a lot more reliable. I was a paying Proton customer but still had connectivity issues a non-negligible number of times, whereas I’ve literally never had Mullvad be the cause of connection issues in my years of using it. It’s great that they take cash and have literally only an account hash associated with your account.

    I’ve also found that Mullvad customer support are responsive, helpful, and know what they’re talking about. I’ve had experiences with Proton’s customer support that were ok, but occasionally had the typical customer service hiccups along the lines of being assigned a new support agent who doesn’t read back all the conversation (understandable—I had one bug I was dealing with for months) and you have to explain again what the original issue was and what has been done since.

    I think both options are perfectly fine, but I definitely prefer Mullvad, and it’s what I recommend to people if they ask me to recommend a VPN service.

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    What about NordVPN? I use it and I’m pretty happy.

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    Mullvad is much friendlier to privacy, but their proxies get blocked by A LOT of stuff, they also have a very small number of proxies. Mullvad collects literally nothing about you, but that’s a double edged sword. not having any way to verify exactly who paid money into which account number means they can’t help you if someone steals your account. I also have it on good authority that mullvad isn’t very reliable at getting past more aggressive censorship firewalls. the one in china for example won’t allow you to use mullvad unless the sim you’re connecting from is a US one.

    Proton doesn’t record anything you’re doing with their VPN and they’ve had to prove that many times and their “sentinel” program and the 2FA and double password you can enable make it very hard if not impossible for someone to mootch off your account. I very rarely get blocked by anything when I use proton VPN, if I ever do get blocked I just have to change the proxy I’m on. I don’t even have to change the location most of the time because proton VPN has a huge number of proxies at each location.

    Proton also gives you the ability to save recovery phrases and recovery files if you lose your password(s) or your 2FA

    ente auth and ageis auth are great for storing your 2FAs and they allow you to back them up to a file if your account with ente fails in some way or if you forget the password to get into your ageis

    as for those recovery files and phrases I talked about. save them in text files on a small capacity flash drive that you don’t use for anything else

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      Who knows how to steal you mull account with out you knowing? This seems over blown atleast from that perspective. I’m sure it’s possible but unless you are incredibly slopping opsec I doubt it’s even on the list of problems. Given all other things you could be doing.

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          How would anyone get the long string though? Realistically speaking. It would be difficult and unlikely.

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            It’s just numbers, no punctuation marks, no letters, no math symbols. No entropy really.

            For most people that’s not an issue, but some people out there can guess them.

            one way to mitigate that problem is simply to not load your mullvad account with more than 1 year of time at any given time. If your mullvad account has like…10 years of time then yeah, lots of people are going to mootch if they figure out which number has that

            Or even if they don’t mootch, they could just remove the devices on your account and fuck with you

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              Unless you are willing to do the math, “no entropy really” deserves a [citation needed]

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    I prefer Mullvad. Regularly audited, can pay with cash if preferred, everything runs on RAM, and hasn’t had any controversies so far. The only issue for some is no port forwarding. I also like the multi-hop and DAITA features.

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    Mullvad. Their servers run on RAM, and they don’t have any information about you no email, no username you can even pay with cash. However, Proton has port forwarding, while Mullvad does not.

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    Has anyone used Mullvad vpn with a media server? I’m currently using AirVPN, but it’s not that good speed-wise. I’ve been looking at Mullvad for a while, but they’ve abandoned port forwarding, which I’m not sure how big of an impact that is.

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      Depending on how you’re accessing this, and how many people you’re trying to set this up for, it would probably be easiest to learn how to deploy your own Wireguard network. In my case, my phone automatically connects to my own Wireguard on my server (an 11 year old laptop) and whenever I’m on the go I have full access to my LAN + PiHole DNS filtering.

      So, what’s the point? The point is that you will be able to securely connect to your media server without exposing it directly to the internet, all without paying for a service to do what you can already do yourself, provided your ISP allows you port forward.

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        I have several people who usually access my media server from abroad. Can you confirm if the WireGuard network you mentioned allows you to “legally torrent” media using it?

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          Wireguard is just the vpn software, not a service. Most of these services are running wireguard under the hood now because it’s so good. You can also use wireguard yourself to connect your own machines together, (or friends machines, allowing file sharing like a LAN) but that doesn’t help you with torrenting.

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          So to be perfectly clear, setting up Wireguard is about bridging two LANs (or devices) to make them virtually appear as if they belong on the same network. For every client that connects they would need to be issued a key and every device would have to be set up. But all the traffic between the two “LANs” would be encrypted and secure.

          But I don’t think WireGuard is what you’re looking for, because this would require setting up all these other people with WireGuard as well. Or doing a more complex setup where you use a VPS and WireGuard and have that serve an exit point instead of your home connection. Or any other number of more complex setups that would work but require a lot more effort… and it sounds like you were just looking for basic port forwarding.

          Mullvad took that feature away a couple of years ago (presumably to combat CSAM dissemination). So if you were hoping to just have a secure path for someone to connect to your media server routed through Mullvad, I don’t believe that’s possible anymore.

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    Mullvad.

    Proton has a Trump ass kisser working in their C-suite.

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        At the moment, it doesn’t. He could decide to violate Swiss law and turn data over to Trump.

        That would certainly affect your privacy.

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          Correct me if I’m wrong, but he doesn’t have the power to do that. Proton has a board with many members calling the shots.

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      Andy done some bootlicking… I guess whoring for the regime is supposed to print generally but I don’t think he understands his user base lol

      Imagine

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    I love that Proton bots/fanboys always get pretty nervous when someone just points out the facts 🤣