cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29441415
Ukraine and European leaders agreed on Saturday to an unconditional 30-day ceasefire from 12 May with the backing of US president Donald Trump, threatening president Vladimir Putin with new “massive” sanctions if he failed to comply.
The announcement was made by the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Poland and Ukraine after a meeting in Kyiv, during which they held a phone call with Trump.
He’s going to say no. It’s clear that neither side intends to compromise.
What’s with this obsession with the idea that Ukraine needs to compromise anything here? Why the hell are they supposed to give anything to their attackers to get them to stop attacking? This is the most batshit insane take.
ETA: if that isn’t what you’re suggesting then sorry for jumping on that, just seeing more than enough people putting blame on Ukraine for not compromising here and it’s maddening
When did I say that Ukraine should compromise?
yes, “neither side” implies Russia and Ukraine
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Edited my comment, I read more into your comment than what you said
If your neighbour came into your house and took over the living room and front foyer how would there even be a compromise?
I don’t see any way that Ukraine could allow an aggressor to just take a part of Its land, displace a large chunk of the population, and then say its okay you can have what you took by force so far.
You are correct Putin is going to say No to giving back any portion of land he took by force.
That is how it worked in the past, a kingdom attacked another, battles were fought, and new borders were drawn.
At the end it is a matter of how much the belligerents can each take.
Sooner or later negotiations will start, a new border will be drawn, and tensions will go down.
In an ideal world, Russia would be forced to give back all of the land they captured since 2014, all of the Ukranian people they kidnapped, and pay reparations to Ukraine.
But my expectations is that in reality Ukraine will be forced to give up Chrimea in exchange for Russia to give back the land they captured since 2022, there will be a discussion about war reparations, Russia will argue that they already paid reparations based on how European nations took frozen Russian assets and gave to Ukraine.
There will be some relatively small compensation paid out to Ukraine.
I don’t want Ukraine to have to give up on Chrimea, but realistically I don’t see how they would have the strength to retake it as the situation is now.
So you’re basically saying, this is how it worked in the past, so we shouldn’t put the effort into striving for a better future?
No, they’re saying that’s how things usually worked in the past, and therefore we shouldn’t be very surprised if we end up with a similar outcome today.
They even specifically state that they don’t like the idea of an outcome where Ukraine gives up land.
Exactly
Sorry about that, reading comprehension isn’t my strong point lately it seems. Thanks you two (@thebestaquaman@lemmy.world)
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Yes, I understand this, hence my observation.
All good, I upvoted your comment and was not disagreeing with you. Not sure why you got down voted. Your comment is valid, I was just building on top of it, basically mirroring what you said TBH.
The issue is emotionally charged and highly divisive, so it is unsurprising to me. FWIW, I think the EU is doing what it can with diplomacy, but Putin has already shown that he cannot be reasoned with in this manner.
And yet only one side has the power to unilaterally end the war by leaving.
“neither side” shut the fuck up you uneducated moron. Delete your lemmy then throw your phone away. Loser
Ay, I completely agree with what you are saying.
However, you should have replaced everything after ‘up’ with a WHY.
Are you alright? If you feel the need to insult random strangers over the internet, it’s best to stay away for a while.
Just report for abusive behavior and move on. Just a quick glance at this user’s moderation history should tell you everything you need to know about them. 🙄
I don’t think there was an insult to a random on the internet, but clearly targeted, measured and non escalating.
I guess both sides need to compromises, which in this case means you delete your account.
Sure, but you could always do a little more compromising yourself by deleting your account. It’s what someone else decided for you, after all. Shouldn’t you now have to at least consider it? You’re not really working with the situation.
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