• xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    12 hours ago

    Trump voters have really fucked over the US.

    since you can do math, i encourage you to check out election truth alliance, and on reddit r/somethingiswrong2024….

    there’s a fair amount of junk on there, but when people analyze the voting data, there are statistical impossibilities.

    trump voters are only part of it, the election was hacked.

    stuff like, drastically different voting behavior during certain parts of the day, different voting patterns in people born on odd versus even years…

    most people go blank when talking about math and statistics…

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      10 hours ago

      I’ve been trying to raise awareness about exit polls being off for years, as well as many states flunking statistical tests with precincts. All the major news in the USA stopped using exit polls to predict many races.

      It’s not rocket science, and the numbers can be run by most people with a high school math level and a small level of programming. The raw data is readily available from both government and organizations.

      But, this has no interest for any party activists, across the spectrum. Over a decade of trying did convinced me Americans who were politically active really do not want to know.

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        4 hours ago

        i don’t think it’s that they don’t want to know, i think it’s that they’re inundated with bullshit, and during covid there was a never ending stream of fake conspiracy evidence with charts and math and shit…
        and then never ending fake evidence that the previous election was stolen (although they used that to prepare for actually stealing it this time… like getting the source code of voting machines for their “audits”)

        so when someone like us shows up and says, “no it’s a real conspiracy! i have proof!” people’s eyes glaze over… and generally people are afraid of math.

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          3 hours ago

          I feel this is such a complicated issue I do not understand at all. One would think that republicans would take interest in why their candidates loose in the primaries, or the democrats would want to think really hard about the evidence coming from the famous close votes to control the senate or house. But, no.

          I came from the computer side of things, with my criticism of voting software. For a long time I tried to talk about software. I figured early on that people were, like you described, just tuning me out. But, after I tried to change tack, and skip any technology or math, there was still no interest.

          Over the years I have had many discussions and I concluded this was simply a taboo subject for those who are active in politics. However, those who are cynical, and not participating, readily see the value and truth, but see little value of the knowledge. We have no ready made audience for such discussions.

          For a long time I just felt like there was something simply broken in political discussion. There is a wide disconnect between those who participate in American politics and everyone else. Its not math, its not science, its faith. We are challenging the faith of the politically active. What does that make us? Heretics.

          We are heretics who speak of things that, if taken seriously, would invalidate the majority of USA elections. The truth would burn the country down. Its remarkable there is such tolerance as seen, and its just people ignoring the few who see the Emperor has no clothes.

          And we will be ignored here, there, everywhere, for at least a generation or two, if not longer.