I don’t care about downvotes. Imagine posting something and looking at the downvotes and thinking “oh golly gosh people don’t like my opinion”.
I also don’t care whether you think my comment “paints me in a good light”, or that I sound like a capitalist.
Lemmy users skew pretty hard towards young progressive anti-everything users that pick up these little factoids like “HR is there to protect the company” and rely on them as a prism through which to interpret the world.
No one who has ever interacted with HR thinks that they are fairy god-mother types you can snitch to and they’ll fire your boss, but they’re part of the context in which most people will spend their entire working lives, and people who understand how to navigate them will do better than those who do not.
I’ll admit that the “burger flipper level reasoning” is gratuitous. I flipped burgers (but not for macdonalds) 20 years ago. I guess it is classist, but younger me absolutely falls into the “class” that I’m making fun of.
You’re also welcome to frame me as capitalist because we all are and sadly it’s naive to think you can be anything else. I voted for our socialist party in the recent Australian election. They won the election in a landslide, and while they have some “socialist” policies I suffer no illusions that I continue to reside in a capitalist reality.
Please spare me your strongman, “sticks and stones may break my bones” schtick. I’m not talking about soft shit like that.
I was addressing you from the standpoint of workshopping potential reasons why your attempt at persuasion was facing pushback (in the form of downvotes). My expectation was that, if you wanted to persuade people to adopt your method of HR interaction, you should package it in a palatable way. You seem to subscribe to the “shit yourself in public, stomp around aggressively, and then try convince people by saying do ya get it yet? you smellin' what I'm steppin' in?” school of communication.
One thing I will agree with you about is that I was imprecise with my words. I’ve used money, so I am a capitalist. Guess I’ll die. I meant, and should have said, you seem pro-capitalist. But, as we’ve already established, you’re uninterested in looking good.
I mean, yeah. You have more in common with burger-flippers doing wrong-think than you do with people who own things for a living. “Middle Class” is ultimately a meaningless term that obscures that reality.
HR is there to ensure the company works. They will answer questions you have, they will change your name in the system if its necessary, they will help you out if you need something that aligns with the interests of company. They’re not inherently bad people.
They are NOT the ones to go to when a conflict requires solving. It’s literally not part of their job. That’s what the works council is for. Don’t have a works council? You’re on your own.
Sure, you shouldn’t expect them to solve your problems, and you should only engage with them as a considered measure in the course of solving your problems, but they’re an integral part in many solutions.
For example, if you’re going to make a claim against your employer you need to have them document things, preferably a pattern.
This type of claim is always more successful if you can demonstrate that the defendant had an opportunity to mitigate but did not do so.
You can’t expect a settlement if you’re just secretly hoarding all your evidence and not following the established procedures in order to address them.
I don’t care about downvotes. Imagine posting something and looking at the downvotes and thinking “oh golly gosh people don’t like my opinion”.
I also don’t care whether you think my comment “paints me in a good light”, or that I sound like a capitalist.
Lemmy users skew pretty hard towards young progressive anti-everything users that pick up these little factoids like “HR is there to protect the company” and rely on them as a prism through which to interpret the world.
No one who has ever interacted with HR thinks that they are fairy god-mother types you can snitch to and they’ll fire your boss, but they’re part of the context in which most people will spend their entire working lives, and people who understand how to navigate them will do better than those who do not.
I’ll admit that the “burger flipper level reasoning” is gratuitous. I flipped burgers (but not for macdonalds) 20 years ago. I guess it is classist, but younger me absolutely falls into the “class” that I’m making fun of.
You’re also welcome to frame me as capitalist because we all are and sadly it’s naive to think you can be anything else. I voted for our socialist party in the recent Australian election. They won the election in a landslide, and while they have some “socialist” policies I suffer no illusions that I continue to reside in a capitalist reality.
Please spare me your strongman, “sticks and stones may break my bones” schtick. I’m not talking about soft shit like that.
I was addressing you from the standpoint of workshopping potential reasons why your attempt at persuasion was facing pushback (in the form of downvotes). My expectation was that, if you wanted to persuade people to adopt your method of HR interaction, you should package it in a palatable way. You seem to subscribe to the “shit yourself in public, stomp around aggressively, and then try convince people by saying
do ya get it yet? you smellin' what I'm steppin' in?” school of communication.One thing I will agree with you about is that I was imprecise with my words. I’ve used money, so I am a capitalist. Guess I’ll die. I meant, and should have said, you seem pro-capitalist. But, as we’ve already established, you’re uninterested in looking good.
I’m not trying to persuade anyone, I’m just calling out idiocy as I see it.
That said, I notice my comments have provoked some discussion about what HR does.
unless you make money by owning things, you’re still the same class that you were when you were flipping burgers
So my original comment that was apparently “classist” was actually self deprecation.
I mean, yeah. You have more in common with burger-flippers doing wrong-think than you do with people who own things for a living. “Middle Class” is ultimately a meaningless term that obscures that reality.
That’s… not entirely true.
Although, I’m not about to start making assertions about my financial circumstances in a silly point scoring exercise.
HR is there to ensure the company works. They will answer questions you have, they will change your name in the system if its necessary, they will help you out if you need something that aligns with the interests of company. They’re not inherently bad people.
They are NOT the ones to go to when a conflict requires solving. It’s literally not part of their job. That’s what the works council is for. Don’t have a works council? You’re on your own.
That’s just not true in most organisations.
Sure, you shouldn’t expect them to solve your problems, and you should only engage with them as a considered measure in the course of solving your problems, but they’re an integral part in many solutions.
For example, if you’re going to make a claim against your employer you need to have them document things, preferably a pattern.
wut
no, that is horrible advice
This type of claim is always more successful if you can demonstrate that the defendant had an opportunity to mitigate but did not do so.
You can’t expect a settlement if you’re just secretly hoarding all your evidence and not following the established procedures in order to address them.
you have 3 options
put up with it
quit
get a lawyer
telling hr just gives them time to fire you for ‘cause’
False.
A lawyer will tell you to collect evidence, including HR’s response.
yea after the lawyer