I guess to be fair I was never really a stickler for any particular method; I’m just a lot more open to a lot of them.
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I never cared how.
The problems we lament are not the result of one man. He has enablers. He has funders. He has defenders. He has judges and congresspeople.
The idea that our problems will disappear when ONE guy kicks the bucket would be laughable if our situation weren’t so depressing.
The right person going has historically been key to defeating fascism.
Personality cults need the personality.
Without the personality the cult that lifts them up still exists and the ideas persist.
The word martyr exists for a reason. And sometimes a flawed martyr is even better. Because with the right methods, you can always rewrite whatever you like and ignore what you don’t. as we have so very recently learned from modern history, that fact is so much more terrifyingly effective than you could ever dream of.
That may be true, but we all gotta start somewhere.
I’m going to be one of those parents. I’m going to share what my 7 year old said at breakfast earlier this week as he looked over my shoulder at the pictures in the newspaper and asked me what the articles were about.
I forget how it came up, but I mentioned that Trump is very old and might die of old age in less than 4 years. He said:
I don’t want him to die but I don’t want him to be their ruler anymore.
I told him he was right and praised him for being able to hold those two ideas in his head at the same time.
…Personally I’d prefer a single event that resulted in the horrific death of several specific top USA officials due to their own malice/avarice/corruption, but I don’t want him to be too cynical.
I think it’d be best to be horrific, to shock society into demanding better leadership. I don’t think we’ll be so lucky.
Here’s the thing. Trump is just a poster boy. The real problems will continue long after he’s dead. There will be further assholes. Trump is a puppet. The string puller will last on.
We need to address the core root, not the symptoms.
I don’t disagree, but Trump is definitely a unifying figure for MAGA. Hopefully when he’s gone there will be in-fighting among different MAGA factions trying to enact their own agendas and will cause fragmentation and irrelevance for many of them.
I can see that. Vance will be one. DeSantos will be another. Musk might even get in on it.
If I were Hillary Clinton, I’d just troll them, and run as a republican.
Remember that Hillary and Bill told Trump to run, believing he would be easy to defeat. They donated to his campaign in 2016
I agree. I think Trump’s real purpose is to just take the heat for a lot of unpopular policies and he’s just too dumb and narcissistic to realize it.
It will be interesting to see how MAGA changes after he’s gone.
It’s become very apparent that the puppet poster-boy is a very critical piece to the puzzle, and for some fucking reason, he’s an effective one.
He is like a pustule. The disease is underneath and around the area but squeezing it empty will be a huge relief and afterward the healing will accelerate
Both. Let’s address both. Like a proper system of healthcare would.
The rot will definitely still be there, but the power vacuum Trump will leave behind is going to massive. Not only that, but a lot of Republicans are just spineless opportunists and not hardcore ideologues, and they may see it as an opportunity to push back against the nutjobs who have taken over the party.
If that’s true, that’s okay. You just get rid of puppets until they run out.
Not a viable long term strategy unfortunately. European anarchist found that out the hard way
which ones did they get rid of?
A lot, but notable political figures are Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Tsar Alexander II, Sadi Carnot (president of France), Antonio Cánovas del Castillo (Spanish prime minister), Empress Elisabeth of Austria-Hungary, King Umberto of Italy, U.S. President William Mckinley (anarchism debated here), King Carlos I of Portugal, Spanish Prime Minister Josè Canalejas, and King George I of Greece. All within roughly 60 years. They also killed plenty of unnamed bourgeois throughout the years.
those are not even from the same country. it’s unrelated incidents.
Also, these are all able to be traced back to anarchist movements? This is the first I’m ever hearing that.
Not all, but some.
I wouldn’t call any of them a puppet of a string puller who would just install the next, even if we’d say the puppeteer is an elite group. But it’s a question of definition where a shadow government ends and a regular political party starts.
I can’t wait to watch MAGA eat itself when Bonespurs finally has his massive Big Mac Attack. That gang of self-centered opportunists will claw each other to pieces trying to get to the top of the power vacuum.
I haven’t cared how for about 4 years and 110 days.
Ah, but did you make a meme about it?
Be the change You want to see in the world.
Our very own fed ❤️
They are watching us all.
Go do it then
This is so much of the internet right now. Everyone wants someone else to do the dirty work. Everyone one agrees that the dirty work needs to be done, but no one is willing to do it.
I don’t have the means to make it happen. I’m the rare American that doesn’t own any weapons. And I’m positive they wouldn’t let me close enough with my baseball bat.
It’s America. You should be able to buy a rifle / long gun at your nearest Wal-Mart same day. If you want a pistol, you might have to wait for you background check, but that usually only takes a few days. I also hear single-use short-range firearms can be 3d printed.
I obviously prefer to keep my life without firearms.
I didn’t even like carrying a sidearm when I was an Army Medic.
Well, some tasks require particular tools. I suppose you could also get a javelin or a bow and arrows. Possibly at Wal-Mart, but more likely specific sports supply or hunting supply stores.
I’ve said for at least the past 10 years that I need to train as a bow hunter.
I’m certain the fall of civilization will happen sooner rather than later. I was thinking more of climate disaster… yet, American Civil War has moved into #1.
I’m still betting on climate collapse to be the end of global civilization, tho I don’t expect that before 2050.
I don’t buy an American civil war, but I can see the federal government effectively collapsing soon, but most states hanging together.
Welcome to the internet
I have been here for a while, that’s why I know you have to state the obvious every now and again.
IME, that’s life in general. Plenty of people complain more than they work on making things better. That’s definitely me these last few weeks.
Even when I was being productive, I’m pretty sure I wasn’t doing the “dirty work”.
This thread is an example of why I’m happy for hexbear
Hexbear?
Your lemmy instance probably defederates from them, so you don’t see their comments. They are a bunch of communists that many others don’t care for and pre-emptively disconnect from.
Personally, I appreciate their perspective and generally am glad to see the discourse.
Maybe, I am extremely new to Lemmy so I didn’t know if that was a place, thing, or person.
So are/is hexbear a communist fourm, or a communist group?
As far as I know, hexbear.net is a similar Lemmy instance same as midwest.social (yours) or lemmy.sdf.org (mine). Hexbear has a general focus of communism – though that feels very reductive and I don’t mean leave it at that, I just don’t have the skill or care to do any better.
Due to various groups (instances) politics, they are often disconnected-from (defederated).
I don’t know if I did a good or bad job explaining this cuz I’m a little drunk, but I hope it’s been at least a little bit helpful
Seems like you did a pretty good job, that makes sense. Thank you!
I still think it’s better for him to just keel over from his terrible eating habits, but OP’s sentiment is perfectly understandable.
I spent months imagining what I’d like to do, or see being done to Trump and his lackeys, but I think all of that imagined violence was doing me moral harm.
So now I like to imagine Tolkien’s giant eagle swooping in to grab them and dump them into Chesapeake Bay.
Then organize.
Manchurian candidate activated. Hahah Just think in terms of domestic abuse or domestic problems. Once Trump’s base realizes that he lied to them, the left wing won’t need to do a thing. The last thing you want to do is be reactionary and create a climate of dangerous leftist mob. Once Trump’s base is angry, just remember these are the individuals with the guns and have been preparing forever. We’re not to the point where we’re at World War 3 completely. Once your kids get drafted, watch all hell break loose. The right wing is repulsive, but just wait. They will be your friendenmies. Most domestic terrorism is created by right-wing ideology. The guy that shot President Trump was a Republican from Pennsylvania. Just remember that. Keep your head on a swivel. Hold tight the American impiralist Empire is falling apart. Trump is accelerating this, which tittolates me.
The naivety that still people have about authoritarian followers baffles me…
There is no point at which his base will turn on him.
There is no action he could perform, no line he could cross, no hardship he could impose that they won’t accept gladly so long as he promises them that “the enemy” suffers more.
There is no turning back from this point of the fascist take over, I’m not a historian, but I’ve been reading books on how countries fall and there isn’t a single one I can think of (please i’m begging you name one, no snark I honestly don’t want to be right) that have turned back from this precipice, what comes after is blood, famine and war… Maybe we get some sort of stability after, but that’s a crap shoot…
