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It was much too late by then. The Italian fascist movement was on the back foot and had been co-opted by Hitler and the Nazi party.
The Vatican supported the rise of Fascism in the 20’s and 30s. By 1937, fascism had already risen and everyone was about to start doing world war things in a couple years as a result.
This is the MO for the church/Vatican, they are never on the side of good out of the gate, but retcon things later to make it appear like they were secretly the good guys somehow.
History of the church and their decisions is long and bloody. This hasn’t ever changed.
But the church still tries to gaslight everyone that they’ve been the good guys all along.
You seem to paper over the fact that the Church coming out against Hitler put the lives of many clergy at risk and invited a hateful wrath. The Church did not oppose Nazism because they had some insight that years later the Nazis would lose. They did it because it was the right thing to do.
That’s some great retconning from the church if that’s their actual stance. :)
“We didn’t oppose the fascists when the moment came because we heard they were going to lose, but trust us, we were really on the side of good all along.”
To be fair, this is exactly what the Catholic church does and is good at, convincing people that they were on the side of good all along and white washing their history to remain relevant.
It’s staggeringly effective at every level. They’ve been doing it for almost 2000 years. I don’t know of any other religion or cult that has managed to stay relevant for that long outside of the Catholic church, so they’re doing something right, even if what they’re doing “right” is actually quite wrong.
We didn’t oppose the fascists when the moment came because we heard they were going to lose
The encyclical was issued Spring 1937. Well before it was obvious the Nazis were going to lose. This also pre-dates events like the Kristallnacht.
This papal encyclical was not the first word against Nazism. It came after growing criticism of Nazism:
In 1933, the Bishop of Münster, Clemens August Graf von Galen, publicly criticized the Nazis’ policies, particularly their treatment of the mentally ill.
The German bishops issued a pastoral letter in 1934 that condemned the Nazi regime’s violations of human rights.
Going back to 1922, GK Chesterton famously condemned what was brewing in Germany when he wrote “Eugenics and other Evils.”
You have to keep in mind that the Nazis used a new idea of science to create eugenics to justify much of their evil and this new science was at odds with Catholic teaching. Catholic teaching was perceived at the time as old, backward, superstitious, and an impediment to progress. To them, progress required the genocide of lesser people to make room for a superior race. The idea that God would become man and that man was a Jew was repulsive to these men.
This was an era of extremes. Nazism on one side and Communism on the other. The Church did not suddenly come to the right stance at the end of the war. They came to that stance as the evil arose and increased their opposition to it as the degree of evil became more apparent. Mit brennender Sorge represented a real risk to Catholics in Germany … a risk worth taking because the evil of the Nazis had grown significantly.
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The Vatican supported the rise of fascism in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 30s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
It was much too late by then. The Italian fascist movement was on the back foot and had been co-opted by Hitler and the Nazi party.
The Vatican supported the rise of Fascism in the 20’s and 30s. By 1937, fascism had already risen and everyone was about to start doing world war things in a couple years as a result.
This is the MO for the church/Vatican, they are never on the side of good out of the gate, but retcon things later to make it appear like they were secretly the good guys somehow.
History of the church and their decisions is long and bloody. This hasn’t ever changed.
But the church still tries to gaslight everyone that they’ve been the good guys all along.
You seem to paper over the fact that the Church coming out against Hitler put the lives of many clergy at risk and invited a hateful wrath. The Church did not oppose Nazism because they had some insight that years later the Nazis would lose. They did it because it was the right thing to do.
That’s some great retconning from the church if that’s their actual stance. :)
To be fair, this is exactly what the Catholic church does and is good at, convincing people that they were on the side of good all along and white washing their history to remain relevant.
It’s staggeringly effective at every level. They’ve been doing it for almost 2000 years. I don’t know of any other religion or cult that has managed to stay relevant for that long outside of the Catholic church, so they’re doing something right, even if what they’re doing “right” is actually quite wrong.
The encyclical was issued Spring 1937. Well before it was obvious the Nazis were going to lose. This also pre-dates events like the Kristallnacht.
This papal encyclical was not the first word against Nazism. It came after growing criticism of Nazism:
In 1933, the Bishop of Münster, Clemens August Graf von Galen, publicly criticized the Nazis’ policies, particularly their treatment of the mentally ill.
The German bishops issued a pastoral letter in 1934 that condemned the Nazi regime’s violations of human rights.
Going back to 1922, GK Chesterton famously condemned what was brewing in Germany when he wrote “Eugenics and other Evils.”
You have to keep in mind that the Nazis used a new idea of science to create eugenics to justify much of their evil and this new science was at odds with Catholic teaching. Catholic teaching was perceived at the time as old, backward, superstitious, and an impediment to progress. To them, progress required the genocide of lesser people to make room for a superior race. The idea that God would become man and that man was a Jew was repulsive to these men.
This was an era of extremes. Nazism on one side and Communism on the other. The Church did not suddenly come to the right stance at the end of the war. They came to that stance as the evil arose and increased their opposition to it as the degree of evil became more apparent. Mit brennender Sorge represented a real risk to Catholics in Germany … a risk worth taking because the evil of the Nazis had grown significantly.