The boss of Ryanair has threatened to cancel orders with American aircraft maker Boeing and buy from Chinese manufacturers instead if Donald Trump’s trade tariffs push up costs.
Why not buy from airbus
Airbus is extremely backed up in filling orders because of the Boeing fiasco.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. This is another major reason why duopolies and monopolies are bad for society.
Commercial aircraft business is extremely tough. We used to have more but they didn’t survive.
Airbus doesn’t have that “duct tape and bubble gum” feel like a Boeing or Chinese plane does.
Ah, of course. Ryanair has to maintain their level of standards.
I woulda cancelled Boeing orders after the killed the whistle blower and the door fell off mid flight. But what do I know I’m not an airline CEO
That was different. Nobody got poorer because of that. Now airline CEO is feeling it and suddenly has opinions.
It’s a cost/risk calculation. It can still be cheaper to buy the dangerous planes as long as the lawsuits cost less than the savings.
Yeah sadly this is the case. Plenty of large corporations break regulations and write of fines as a cost of operations. Same with lawsuits.
Its difficult to explain but I’ll try:
It’s more expensive.
I’m sorry if I lost some of you. Its just difficult to grasp. You might need a PhD for this.
You lost me after “More.” Can you rephrase it?
1 is greater than 2
I dint gradumate 3st grade so i think youz insultin me now
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Naw, man. You know how it goes. Worked it as job, waiting for somethin’ better. Years went by until I got roped into management. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. I’m supervisin’ the night shift and teaching Science Level 2: The New Testament. Boy, let me tell you, those kids can move some product, both over the counter and under it, if you know what I mean.
Remember this morning when you were having cereal… You took one spoon full, then another. That is more! You had one more! Learning is fun!
If anything, I’m more confused:
Why not airbus at least?
The answer is that Airbus has a backlog of 8720 jets, most of them narrow bodies like the A320s that Ryanair would probably want to replace the 737s.
Airbus is looking to expand their production to 75 jets/month by 2027, so if they ordered now, they get by… I don’t know, hopefully someone will math it out for me.
Well even if they ramped up to 75 jets / month today, Ryan Air would have to wait until January 2035. So yeah.
It’s also not in Airbus’s best interest to try and quickly ramp up production as you can get the “Walmart gambit” where you sink in a lot of money, then the tariffs get removed, people crawling back to Boeing and you’re out a shitload of cost.
Not really. Airbus is working on several new designs, and these assembly lines could be repurposed. It’s a pretty riskless investment. Airbus wants to be able to ramp up production, but that is very, very hard to do. building and equiping the factory is the easy part. You have to train people in very complex and specific skills, create seniority scales and workforce structures, etc. and then comes the really, really hard thing, which is getting an already overstrained supply chain up to production levels required by the new line.
Seriously. I’ve been on a couple Chinese made planes. One literally had parts falling off during takeoff. 0/10.
Proposed new slogan:
“Ryanair - Your money or your life!”
Which airline was that?
Not commercial airline.
Continental Airlines Flight 55, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30, dropped a titanium alloy engine cowl.
Oh no wait, that was the one that caused the end of the Concorde.
Here’s a video by Mentour Pilot about that crash, I love his videos.
If you’re going cheaper might as well go all the way
warned against placing orders with Comac, arguing that it had close ties to the Chinese military and had likely benefited from intellectual property theft.
Just like Boeing then…
It always boils down to “B-But we are the good guys so buying from our military contractors is no an issue at all”When Michael O’Leary has a chance to save money, he definitely doesn’t give a fuck about your military industrial complex and its intellectual property.
Fun fact: he supposedly turned down the chance to host The Apprentice, because he’s actually capable of running a business instead.
Everyone chill. COMAC doesn’t even have an EASA rating to fly in Europe yet.
Not only that, they don’t have the production ability to fullfill 5% of China’s requirements for single aisle jets. Ryanair would be very far down the queue. It’s a classic O’ Leary bullshit announcement.
COMAC is aiming to increase production of the C919 to 75 planes a year. Airbus is aiming to increase production of the A320 to 75 planes a month
So, money is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Not Boeing being unsafe and you being concerned for your crew and customers.
It’s in obvious that you have never flown Ryanair. They make it very clear at every point of the journey that they have zero regard for their customers and crew. It’s an antagonistic relationship from beginning to end.
This is coming from the CEO who pitched “vertical seating” after all.
So airbus was not even in the running??? Sounds like europe should be a little wary of china.
Both the 737 and a320 have wait lists at least a decade long. Small jets are popular. This is why few airlines canceled orders in response to the max crashes. Airlines need to keep buying new planes to maintain their fleets, so moving from the front of boeing’s queue to the back of airbus’s is not a viable strategy.
Comac’s C919 went into service in 2023. It is certified by chinese authorities for service in china, but comac is working on getting approval from easa to operate in europe.
Switching to comac would mean getting in the front of the line for the new plane. And aircraft makers often give very favorable deals to launch customers who order large numbers.
And ryanair will be ordering many planes because most of budget airline’s savings come from only operating a single aircraft type. Buying comac would mean replacing their entire fleet.
I’d never buy a Boeing plane again after they said “some of our planes will crash and kill everyone on board, but that’s cheaper than making them safer”.
That’s why you’re not a CEO.
You see lives as more than a cost/benefit analysis.
Then they should be sentenced to death as the mass murderers they are. And no value would be lost as they’re despicable pieces of shit.
I agree. And let’s redistribute their wealth.
Someone should just cancel Ryanair. Shit company.
Wonder if this will improve or worsen their safety
Good. Maybe Trump really is playing 3D chess.
He’s actively harming America so Americans are forced to work harder in order to compete with nations that give better deals.
