You’re still misunderstanding idealism vs materialism. Your analysis is idealist, and that clouds your judgement of issues surrounding consumerism. Consumerism, as you describe it, still existed in Marx’s time, and the existence of it does not conflict with Marxism. Liberalism in general is idealist, but that doesn’t make it correct. Thoughts aren’t the primary movers, consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system.
You still have not made any point regarding workers and consumers. They are the same. They have always been the same. Revolution is further not a threat for them.
Leftists do analyze the motivations of broism, you continue to invent problems that do not exist.
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
You don’t really have any real points, you are dead-set on your misinterpretations of left vs right and as a consequence don’t actually understand Leftist critique or analysis, and it seems deliberate.
It’s definitely not a deliberate misunderstanding.
consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system
Yes. By the same logic, Capitalists need consumers to stay calm and to not change the system.
How can the Capitalist system be changed if people don’t act on individual choices?
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
I wasn’t suggesting it was deliberate, my point is more that if you want to discuss a subject, you ought to familiarize yourself with it prior to forming an opinion.
Capitalists do need workers to not revolt, yes. Leftists acknowledge this, there are various methods Capitalists employ, like bribery through sharing the spoils of Imperialism with the Working Class. That doesn’t mean right-wingers have valid points.
As for if enough people are reached, yes, increasingly as time goes on. I’m not sure what your point here is.
My point is that the Capitalists manage the rate at which workers learn about the left point of view so that the chance of them reaching a ctitical mass for change is very low.
Capitalists use control of media, yes. That doesn’t mean accepting right-wing analysis is correct, and that doesn’t mean Leftist ideas aren’t spreading.
You’re still misunderstanding idealism vs materialism. Your analysis is idealist, and that clouds your judgement of issues surrounding consumerism. Consumerism, as you describe it, still existed in Marx’s time, and the existence of it does not conflict with Marxism. Liberalism in general is idealist, but that doesn’t make it correct. Thoughts aren’t the primary movers, consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system.
You still have not made any point regarding workers and consumers. They are the same. They have always been the same. Revolution is further not a threat for them.
Leftists do analyze the motivations of broism, you continue to invent problems that do not exist.
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
You don’t really have any real points, you are dead-set on your misinterpretations of left vs right and as a consequence don’t actually understand Leftist critique or analysis, and it seems deliberate.
It’s definitely not a deliberate misunderstanding.
Yes. By the same logic, Capitalists need consumers to stay calm and to not change the system.
How can the Capitalist system be changed if people don’t act on individual choices?
They reach some. Do they reach enough?
I wasn’t suggesting it was deliberate, my point is more that if you want to discuss a subject, you ought to familiarize yourself with it prior to forming an opinion.
Capitalists do need workers to not revolt, yes. Leftists acknowledge this, there are various methods Capitalists employ, like bribery through sharing the spoils of Imperialism with the Working Class. That doesn’t mean right-wingers have valid points.
As for if enough people are reached, yes, increasingly as time goes on. I’m not sure what your point here is.
My point is that the Capitalists manage the rate at which workers learn about the left point of view so that the chance of them reaching a ctitical mass for change is very low.
Capitalists use control of media, yes. That doesn’t mean accepting right-wing analysis is correct, and that doesn’t mean Leftist ideas aren’t spreading.