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really sad that FPTP here led to the inevitable outcome: the only party that shouldn’t have won did win
This angers me. How can you not understand the concept of vote splitting, and vote against a well-supported (and deserving) incumbent? For shame.
either way it’s bad: either vote splitting happens or people vote strategically and not actually what they want
FPTP is a fucking scourge
I’d argue that a pretty large proportion of voters know nothing about who they’re voting for besides the party they represent.
I hope you’re not blaming the voter. All blame lies in the politician, the moment they put their name on the poll this will 100% happen. They should’ve done some homework to prevent this.
Yes, the party and the politician are the root cause, but I do hold some expectations for the voter as well. If we’re getting people out to vote even if they’re entirely ignorant of the process and outcome, I don’t see that as a win.
Most voters are going to spend a couple of hours watching CBC, or at best, look at a summary of party platforms, and be told only about leader/party politics. No one is out teaching people how to vote under our system. Low information is a problem for democracy.
Also, why the fuck would you vote NDP in a riding where the Greens actually have a chance (or vice versa)?
Their platforms have way more in common than they differ.
Yeah that’s exactly what I thought would happen. Come in here thinking “of course, people will find a way to blame the NDP here instead of the liberals” instantly proved right.
NDP incumbent beaten by people moving to liberals? Those NDP voters, who still had more than the liberals, should’ve voted libral. Green voters move to the Librals against the incombant? Nah, those dastardly NDP caused this. Cons win by a landslide? Somehow, you guessed it, NDPs fault
I’m not blaming the NDP voters in this riding instead of the Liberal voters, I’m blaming them alongside the Lib voters.
The fucķ?
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Even if you love PR more, there has to be some blame on the “idealists” for derailing RCV.
Anything* But Conservative (* some conditions apply). 🤪
I think the only people looking at riding projections or riding history are us nerds who discuss politics on lemmy. I think strategic voting in the general public is very real, but it seems to more take the form of “I normally vote NDP and will vote Liberal this time” rather than digging into the politics of their riding.
Would PR have fixed this, though? Or could those votes for Mike Morrice, who worked hard for his riding and deserved another session in Parliament, simply have gone to elect some other Green in a floating seat?
With a fixed number of seats, we can’t all get the representatives we want. Members of a party are not fungible.
I think a lot of people would feel free to vote for the representative they truly want instead of feeling forced to vote strategically against someone they don’t want
That doesn’t really address my point. Yes, voting patterns would have been different. But lets say this is how the vote turned out.
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Maybe not PR. But ranked choice voting sure would have!
I don’t know for sure, but under PR, 4 or 5 “presincts” around Kitchener would be amalgamated to select 4 or 5 members of parliament from the pool. I’m not positive if Greens would need 20-25% of vote for 1 seat across all of Kitchener, but it would be the Green that got the most votes that would get the seat. Someone around here knows more than me, but I don’t know if there is a risk of party infighting if “the best they can hope for is x seats”
Check the vote totals from 2021 to 2025. The NDP switched to Liberals and the PPC switched to the CPC. That’s why the CPC won.
So, basically, the Liberals didn’t switch and the NDP switched to the wrong party.
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