What’s the largest amount of people that tried this moneyless stateless society stuff and how long did it last
Many indigenous peoples lived so for millennia.
In Europe, the attempts from the past were Paris Commune most notably, Makhno’s Free Territory, etc.
Those which stand today are Rojava, “Exarcheia” in Greece, “Christiania” in Denmark, areas in Mexico controlled by Zapatistas, hundreds of small intentional communities, and many tribal communities.
Ussr was state capitalist, north Korea is Kim’s paradise. Cuba is state capitalist. China is capitalist.
I can suppose you don’t have any problems with landlords, bosses, or discrimination, you’re the member of the class that has the best or at least good quality of life under the current system. Your main problem are some shitty bikes, while some have to deal with the fact they don’t have a roof under their head just because some greedy owner doesn’t allow them to live in an unused house, or a sick person who cannot afford treatment again because they have to pay some absurdly large sum of money. Capitalism is not a system that sustains everyone or gives equal opportunity for everyone’s growth, no, it’s just for a small, lucky group of people, it concentrates wealth at the top of the hierarchy.
The communities I mentioned are self-sustaining and anti-hierarchical, they grow together for the good of the community, and at least trying to be those places where there’s no discrimination, and not the place where basic needs are a commodity (like your beloved Belgium). They’re poor by the standards of modern capitalist countries, which is all about money, so in my eyes, there’s no such thing as “poor”, just a person who is born in the system where their class is treated unfairly.
You’re free to go there, I’m free to stay where I am.
A group of 22k people that can’t compete with foreigners moving into their neighborhood.
I don’t think they’ll be making a big impact.
We have universal healthcare, social housing, free higher education, free guidance for immigrants, … All here in Belgium. We’re wealthier than Greece by a long shot. We have the ability to build a proper trampoline for people.
The thing is though. They receive that help so that they can get proper jobs/self employment and be more than self sustainable. They can start owning capital.
Which is how we sustain our society.
I know more about socialism than most people. I’ve been talking to socialists for plenty of years.
I’ve never heard a single one of them talk properly about economics.
They just want a certain end goal, but have no clue how to get there.
Many indigenous peoples lived so for millennia. In Europe, the attempts from the past were Paris Commune most notably, Makhno’s Free Territory, etc. Those which stand today are Rojava, “Exarcheia” in Greece, “Christiania” in Denmark, areas in Mexico controlled by Zapatistas, hundreds of small intentional communities, and many tribal communities.
Yeah, I know?
So I can just go to that 22k population area in Athens and take a car there?
Is the quality of life even better than living in a social house in Belgium with 0 property and never working a day?
I mean, I can leech just fine where I am. I don’t need to go to a poorer area for that
I can suppose you don’t have any problems with landlords, bosses, or discrimination, you’re the member of the class that has the best or at least good quality of life under the current system. Your main problem are some shitty bikes, while some have to deal with the fact they don’t have a roof under their head just because some greedy owner doesn’t allow them to live in an unused house, or a sick person who cannot afford treatment again because they have to pay some absurdly large sum of money. Capitalism is not a system that sustains everyone or gives equal opportunity for everyone’s growth, no, it’s just for a small, lucky group of people, it concentrates wealth at the top of the hierarchy.
The communities I mentioned are self-sustaining and anti-hierarchical, they grow together for the good of the community, and at least trying to be those places where there’s no discrimination, and not the place where basic needs are a commodity (like your beloved Belgium). They’re poor by the standards of modern capitalist countries, which is all about money, so in my eyes, there’s no such thing as “poor”, just a person who is born in the system where their class is treated unfairly.
How scary!!! /s
You’re free to go there, I’m free to stay where I am.
A group of 22k people that can’t compete with foreigners moving into their neighborhood.
I don’t think they’ll be making a big impact.
We have universal healthcare, social housing, free higher education, free guidance for immigrants, … All here in Belgium. We’re wealthier than Greece by a long shot. We have the ability to build a proper trampoline for people.
The thing is though. They receive that help so that they can get proper jobs/self employment and be more than self sustainable. They can start owning capital.
Which is how we sustain our society.
I know more about socialism than most people. I’ve been talking to socialists for plenty of years.
I’ve never heard a single one of them talk properly about economics.
They just want a certain end goal, but have no clue how to get there.