Look, I’ve only been a Linux user for a couple of years, but if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that we’re not afraid to tinker. Most of us came from Windows or macOS at some point, ditching the mainstream for better control, privacy, or just to escape the corporate BS. We’re the people who choose the harder path when we think it’s worth it.

Which is why I find it so damn interesting that atomic distros haven’t caught on more. The landscape is incredibly diverse now - from gaming-focused Bazzite to the purely functional philosophy of Guix System. These distros couldn’t be more different in their approaches, but they all share this core atomic DNA.

These systems offer some seriously compelling stuff - updates that either work 100% or roll back automatically, no more “oops I bricked my system” moments, better security through immutability, and way fewer update headaches.

So what gives? Why aren’t more of us jumping on board? From my conversations and personal experience, I think it boils down to a few things:

Our current setups already work fine. Let’s be honest - when you’ve spent years perfecting your Arch or Debian setup, the thought of learning a whole new paradigm feels exhausting. Why fix what isn’t broken, right?

The learning curve seems steep. Yes, you can do pretty much everything on atomic distros that you can on traditional ones, but the how is different. Instead of apt install whatever and editing config files directly, you’re suddenly dealing with containers, layering, or declarative configs. It’s not necessarily harder, just… different.

The docs can be sparse. Traditional distros have decades of guides, forum posts, and StackExchange answers. Atomic systems? Not nearly as much. When something breaks at 2am, knowing there’s a million Google results for your error message is comforting.

I’ve been thinking about this because Linux has overcome similar hurdles before. Remember when gaming on Linux was basically impossible? Now we have the Steam Deck running an immutable SteamOS (of all things!) and my non-Linux friends are buying them without even realizing they’re using Linux. It just works.

So I’m genuinely curious - what’s keeping YOU from switching to an atomic distro? Is it specific software you need? Concerns about customization? Just can’t be bothered to learn new tricks?

Your answers might actually help developers focus on the right pain points. The atomic approach makes so much sense on paper that I’m convinced it’s the future - we just need to figure out what’s stopping people from making the jump today.

So what would it actually take to get you to switch? I’m all ears.

  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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    9 hours ago

    For me it’d be two aspects:

    1. lack of knowledge and clarity whether my use case is affected and to what degree.
    2. worry over the extra operational overhead.

    For (1), it’s not necessarily about the explicit workflow, like the GUI apps and stuff; but also the implicit workflow as well: the stuff going on with the machine because you are not touching it (even if it is because you’ve touched it before).

    Some examples. I need to forbid PA and have either ALSA or Pipewire (or both) with alsa-ucf disabled because of a hardware bug in my machine’s audio chipset. I can one-time accommodate the required kernel boot time options and ALSA configs without issue on Debian, can I do that on an immutable? Am I forced to the barely-progressing-past-failure that is wayland, or can I use the Xorg setup that has for decades proven to me to work? Do I get to escape the enforced GTK compose key mapping on my own, or do I need to break immutableness to fix it? Can the programs that I launch through wine on the user account I set up for work, interact with the apps I have on my normal user’s desktop (incl. copy-paste, desktop screenshots, sending global key events for stuff like Teamviewer, Supremo, Anydesk), or do I need to fall back to a Virtualbox VM?

    And for (2), it’s quite simple. I have a 8 GB RAM machine. I’m barely managing to survive this world of nu-web development where hello world apps download 150 MB of a typokit SDK from Cloudflare or something. If an immutable environment means that everything even the Linux equivalent of W95’s notepad.exe is now containerized, that’s an extra memory and resource overhead that my system likely can not serve and that I don’t really have an use for anyway (why would I want a text editor to not load up a text file I told it to load???).