Nikita Casap, 17, allegedly killed his parents to "obtain the financial means and autonomy necessary" to kill President Donald Trump and overthrow the U.S. government.
he wanted their money. i’m still trying to understand why he, as a nazi, wanted to murder trump though. i feel like part of this story isn’t being reported here.
While they’re all pretty much the same in all the ways that matter to everyone who isn’t a racist asshole, if you care to dig into it there’s a lot of different white supremacists ideologies that really aren’t compatible with each other. Historically a lot of different movements there spent a lot of time arguing and fighting with, and hating each other, which is why the “unite the right” thing was kind of a big deal.
KKK doesn’t like Catholics, that’s a sizeable portion of white people they have a problem with
There’s some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy, which is part of why you get some of them being all about Norse paganism and such.
Do they want to take over the US and remake it how they want, or do they want to split off from the US and start their own country?
Are they in favor of some sort of democracy, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship, even occasionally some form of anarchy, etc?
You can go really deep down the rabbit hole trying to unpack all of their competing ideas. They’re all crazy and extreme, but they’re crazy and extreme in different ways.
It’s not at all surprising to me that some of them don’t like trump, maybe they just outright don’t like him, maybe they think he’s a useful idiot who has outlived his usefulness, maybe they think he isn’t going far enough, maybe they’re just insane.
There’s also accelerationists who can justify whatever if they convince themselves it will be a catalyst. I don’t think its hard to imagine dumbass white supremacist believing that Trump getting assassinated would finally start their race war.
Yea, there were klansmen voting for Obama because they legitimately thought it’d make the whole country kick out black people. People hold really weird beliefs.
In the St Louis area, about 20 years ago, there was a friendly understanding between the rural white supremacist gangs (peckerheads, SS, etc) and the Black urban (mostly Crip affiliated) gangs. The white gangs had been taken over by a group of white separatists who advocated peaceful coexistence but absolutely no intermingling with the inferior races. Meanwhile, the Black gangs were perfectly amenable to that and kept their activities in the urban area. When the opioid epidemic hit, they divided up territory, kept to their own lanes, and occasionally cooperated against cops.
I live somewhat close to an area where the klan still has some presence. A friend of mine worked at a convenience store in that area for a while.
He’s practically a living caricature of blond-haired, blue eyed whiteness (and also one of the genuinely least racist people I know, he’s currently engaged to a black girl)
So looking the way he does, the local grand wizard or whatever ridiculous title he had took a liking to him and would hang around and try to talk to him.
Since he was on the clock, he couldn’t exactly just tell this guy to pound sand, and he actually managed to have some interesting conversations with him while he was there.
Overall, the impression he got of this klansman was that if black people and white people could just kind of each have their own countries, he’d be totally ok with that and would wish black people the best with their endeavors.
Not that that’s a good way of thinking at all, but coming from a card-carrying racist asshole, that almost feels like progressive thought.
Also I remember an quick throwaway scene in Orange is the New Black, where a couple of the racist white characters were having some kind of discussion among themselves along the lines of “I’m a white nationalist, not a Nazi” or something along those lines.
The difference between the far Right and the far Left is that the far Right only has these discussions of differences in ideology when they’re in their own safe spaces. Separatist vs supremacist, authoritarian vs anarchist, Christian vs pagan. But when confronted with the Left, they close ranks, forgive each others’ shortcomings, and tow the line. Meanwhile Leftists would rather lose again and again than team up with someone who has the slightest difference in political ideology.
There’s some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy,
So Jesus was a double agent? Or the truth is what Jews believe, that Jesus wasn’t the son of God? If so it’s a real 4d chess to promote a conspiracy by claiming it’s fake.
Jesus was a Jew, advocating for sacrifice and mercy, versus the old Pagan gods were white perfect warriors with no compunction about slaughtering the weak to protect the volk or some bullshit. Its the same shit you hear about cultural Bolshevism or whatever.
I won’t pretend to know all of the details, but as I understand it, the basic idea is something along the line of Christianity was an attempt to make Judaism more palatable to the masses so that their influence for spread.
Which, when you’re looking at it through that kind of crazy racist lens, I guess it makes some kind of sense, Jesus more or less did say “hey, you know all that old testament nonsense with crazy rules about how you can cut your hair, not eating pork, circumcision, wearing different fabrics, not turning on the lights on Saturday, etc? Yeah, ignore that shit, no one likes it and it’s not important. Now go out and spread my new, cooler version of Judaism around the world” (Not a direct quote) And it was successful, some sort of jewish-derived religion did end up taking over much of the world.
I don’t buy that there was any sort of conspiracy to rebrand Judaism into Christianity, and if even there ever was I think they clearly lost control of it at some point.
As for who believes this, again, it’s a big fractured world of crazy racists, so it’s not always easy to say “here’s an organized and recognizable group of people with shared beliefs” and I really don’t feel like going down the rabbit hole to find a bunch of fringe white supremacist groups who hold some variation of that specific idea.
But off the top of my head, I believe Varg Vikernes, known for being influential in early Norwegian black metal, murder, and burning down churches, subscribes to some version of that conspiracy.
the kid that missed the ear was an angry right winger that was mad he was too far right last i recalled. so they’re coming from both sides now, if this is being reported honestly now.
he wanted their money. i’m still trying to understand why he, as a nazi, wanted to murder trump though. i feel like part of this story isn’t being reported here.
While they’re all pretty much the same in all the ways that matter to everyone who isn’t a racist asshole, if you care to dig into it there’s a lot of different white supremacists ideologies that really aren’t compatible with each other. Historically a lot of different movements there spent a lot of time arguing and fighting with, and hating each other, which is why the “unite the right” thing was kind of a big deal.
KKK doesn’t like Catholics, that’s a sizeable portion of white people they have a problem with
There’s some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy, which is part of why you get some of them being all about Norse paganism and such.
Do they want to take over the US and remake it how they want, or do they want to split off from the US and start their own country?
Are they in favor of some sort of democracy, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship, even occasionally some form of anarchy, etc?
You can go really deep down the rabbit hole trying to unpack all of their competing ideas. They’re all crazy and extreme, but they’re crazy and extreme in different ways.
It’s not at all surprising to me that some of them don’t like trump, maybe they just outright don’t like him, maybe they think he’s a useful idiot who has outlived his usefulness, maybe they think he isn’t going far enough, maybe they’re just insane.
Just like how there is Leftist in fighting, except a lot stupider and more dangerous. I keep making reference to the Night of Long Knives here
“Oh looky here, someone trying to bring the left into this 😡”
There’s also accelerationists who can justify whatever if they convince themselves it will be a catalyst. I don’t think its hard to imagine dumbass white supremacist believing that Trump getting assassinated would finally start their race war.
Yea, there were klansmen voting for Obama because they legitimately thought it’d make the whole country kick out black people. People hold really weird beliefs.
In the St Louis area, about 20 years ago, there was a friendly understanding between the rural white supremacist gangs (peckerheads, SS, etc) and the Black urban (mostly Crip affiliated) gangs. The white gangs had been taken over by a group of white separatists who advocated peaceful coexistence but absolutely no intermingling with the inferior races. Meanwhile, the Black gangs were perfectly amenable to that and kept their activities in the urban area. When the opioid epidemic hit, they divided up territory, kept to their own lanes, and occasionally cooperated against cops.
I live somewhat close to an area where the klan still has some presence. A friend of mine worked at a convenience store in that area for a while.
He’s practically a living caricature of blond-haired, blue eyed whiteness (and also one of the genuinely least racist people I know, he’s currently engaged to a black girl)
So looking the way he does, the local grand wizard or whatever ridiculous title he had took a liking to him and would hang around and try to talk to him.
Since he was on the clock, he couldn’t exactly just tell this guy to pound sand, and he actually managed to have some interesting conversations with him while he was there.
Overall, the impression he got of this klansman was that if black people and white people could just kind of each have their own countries, he’d be totally ok with that and would wish black people the best with their endeavors.
Not that that’s a good way of thinking at all, but coming from a card-carrying racist asshole, that almost feels like progressive thought.
Also I remember an quick throwaway scene in Orange is the New Black, where a couple of the racist white characters were having some kind of discussion among themselves along the lines of “I’m a white nationalist, not a Nazi” or something along those lines.
The difference between the far Right and the far Left is that the far Right only has these discussions of differences in ideology when they’re in their own safe spaces. Separatist vs supremacist, authoritarian vs anarchist, Christian vs pagan. But when confronted with the Left, they close ranks, forgive each others’ shortcomings, and tow the line. Meanwhile Leftists would rather lose again and again than team up with someone who has the slightest difference in political ideology.
I guess I didn’t really understand the diversity of this shit. It’s probably good to have a more nuanced view, so cheers
So Jesus was a double agent? Or the truth is what Jews believe, that Jesus wasn’t the son of God? If so it’s a real 4d chess to promote a conspiracy by claiming it’s fake.
Any info on who believes this?
Jesus was a Jew, advocating for sacrifice and mercy, versus the old Pagan gods were white perfect warriors with no compunction about slaughtering the weak to protect the volk or some bullshit. Its the same shit you hear about cultural Bolshevism or whatever.
I won’t pretend to know all of the details, but as I understand it, the basic idea is something along the line of Christianity was an attempt to make Judaism more palatable to the masses so that their influence for spread.
Which, when you’re looking at it through that kind of crazy racist lens, I guess it makes some kind of sense, Jesus more or less did say “hey, you know all that old testament nonsense with crazy rules about how you can cut your hair, not eating pork, circumcision, wearing different fabrics, not turning on the lights on Saturday, etc? Yeah, ignore that shit, no one likes it and it’s not important. Now go out and spread my new, cooler version of Judaism around the world” (Not a direct quote) And it was successful, some sort of jewish-derived religion did end up taking over much of the world.
I don’t buy that there was any sort of conspiracy to rebrand Judaism into Christianity, and if even there ever was I think they clearly lost control of it at some point.
As for who believes this, again, it’s a big fractured world of crazy racists, so it’s not always easy to say “here’s an organized and recognizable group of people with shared beliefs” and I really don’t feel like going down the rabbit hole to find a bunch of fringe white supremacist groups who hold some variation of that specific idea.
But off the top of my head, I believe Varg Vikernes, known for being influential in early Norwegian black metal, murder, and burning down churches, subscribes to some version of that conspiracy.
Because he is so far right Trump is to the left of him
the kid that missed the ear was an angry right winger that was mad he was too far right last i recalled. so they’re coming from both sides now, if this is being reported honestly now.
What? They BOTH came from the extreme right! AFAIK there has been no left wing attacks (yet).
reread what i wrote. being left of trump does not mean left wing.
that being said, i also can’t recall his exact details at this point, just that he was right wing that had donated to dems at one point.
None of them were left of Trump AFAIK.
Anyways I wouldn’t call it both sides, he is attacked by his own, because they are all Nazi sociopaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks
it’s confirmed he donated to dems. the only data that would say he’s further right is merely “believed to be associated with the shooter”.
I know right. If he wants Nazis, then the right people are already in charge.