all i’m gonna say, is that i don’t see leftists proposing an actual function government model that would fix all of our problems and make society better.
I do see a lot talking about how shit america is though. So there’s that i guess.
For as much as you want to hate liberals and liberalism (and there are problems), it’s hard to do anything with a dysfunctional government, and classical western liberalism provides a great solution to that problem. The other options aren’t exactly better.
Redistribution of wealth. Housing as a human right. Workplace democracy. Minimum wage indexed to cost of living.there are lots of socialist platforms that go unadopted.
these are all great ideas. But it doesn’t make a functional government.
I’m not sure how anybody here is expecting to implement these if they hate liberal governance (the entire structure the US is based on) if you can’t even begin to theorize a functional structure of governance including those things.
china also recommends you invest like, the majority of all of your wealth into housing, which is a currently crashing market right now. So that’s for better or for worse.
anyway, these are all liberal based ideologies. I have nothing against any of them, except maybe nationalizing banking, but i’m not strictly against it, i just don’t know what that entails.
and yes, it can be done, with or without them, but we already have the structure of a liberal democracy, and the experience and knowledge required to make it work. I don’t know why so many lefties are hell bent and destroying it all in favor of a more unstable governance structure. Especially one that doesn’t seem to exist.
Maybe it’s all just yapping, and nobody believes anything they say, but that seems like a silly argument on it’s face imo.
Classical Western Liberalism created this dysfunctional government and is defending and trying to maintain it. The entire reason there is an opening for fascism is that the current liberal government is so dysfunctional and failing. And since both parties are anti-left, the only real option for opposing the failures of the status quo is joining the MAGA-fascist right. This is a repeat of the 1920s, showing how Liberalism enables Fascism.
yeah, and it created it because we were the ones voting lmao. We voted idiots into power, they stayed in power because we liked them, and they fucked up the government irreversibly.
It’s not that complicated, we did this to ourselves at the end of the day.
all i’m gonna say, is that i don’t see leftists proposing an actual function government model that would fix all of our problems and make society better.
I do see a lot talking about how shit america is though. So there’s that i guess.
For as much as you want to hate liberals and liberalism (and there are problems), it’s hard to do anything with a dysfunctional government, and classical western liberalism provides a great solution to that problem. The other options aren’t exactly better.
Redistribution of wealth. Housing as a human right. Workplace democracy. Minimum wage indexed to cost of living.there are lots of socialist platforms that go unadopted.
these are all great ideas. But it doesn’t make a functional government.
I’m not sure how anybody here is expecting to implement these if they hate liberal governance (the entire structure the US is based on) if you can’t even begin to theorize a functional structure of governance including those things.
Us had a 90% top tax rate at one time. Inheritance tax redistributes wealth. Nationalization of industries such as banking. Cubas economy grew after redistribution despite the embargo until the fall of the Soviet Union. China has a 90% rate of home ownership https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_in_China Germany requires a percentage of each company shareholders be employees https://insigniam.com/in-germany-a-law-to-give-employees-a-voice-and-a-vote/
It has been done before and can be done again, with or without liberal democracy.
china also recommends you invest like, the majority of all of your wealth into housing, which is a currently crashing market right now. So that’s for better or for worse.
anyway, these are all liberal based ideologies. I have nothing against any of them, except maybe nationalizing banking, but i’m not strictly against it, i just don’t know what that entails.
and yes, it can be done, with or without them, but we already have the structure of a liberal democracy, and the experience and knowledge required to make it work. I don’t know why so many lefties are hell bent and destroying it all in favor of a more unstable governance structure. Especially one that doesn’t seem to exist.
Maybe it’s all just yapping, and nobody believes anything they say, but that seems like a silly argument on it’s face imo.
Classical Western Liberalism created this dysfunctional government and is defending and trying to maintain it. The entire reason there is an opening for fascism is that the current liberal government is so dysfunctional and failing. And since both parties are anti-left, the only real option for opposing the failures of the status quo is joining the MAGA-fascist right. This is a repeat of the 1920s, showing how Liberalism enables Fascism.
yeah, and it created it because we were the ones voting lmao. We voted idiots into power, they stayed in power because we liked them, and they fucked up the government irreversibly.
It’s not that complicated, we did this to ourselves at the end of the day.