• isa41@lemm.ee
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    6 days ago

    For her alone in this situation? Yes, it would very likely be even worse for her (but still a silver lining if she were to take out an ICE agent or a few too). But if a community is armed and prepared to defend their members it makes it vastly harder for these fascists to just come and abduct people like this.

    Guns alone are not the answer here. But guns paired with community is at least a .Major part of the answer.

    • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.ee
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      The ideal would be if the entire neighborhood made the Gestapo agents disappear. No “witnesses”. Nobody saw jack shit.

      Then the state will have to escalate by becoming tankies: sending mechanized artillery against civilian populations. But it’s hard to do that quietly and EVEN MORE people might get alarmed enough to take up arms against tyranny.

      But I just don’t think it’s… likely.

      People are too wounded and exhausted already.

      There is no revolutionary spirit in the masses.

      The economic hardship has done its job as intended.

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        People are too wounded and exhausted already.

        There is no revolutionary spirit in the masses.

        The economic hardship has done its job as intended.

        Those three sentences describe my country around the 50’s and 60’s. And nonetheless, at some point, the people started organizing and the political police then had their fair share of scares, with agents and even teams being beaten to an inch of their lives.

        The police had developed a fear tactic where around dinner time a few unmarked cars would park in the street and a few civilian clothed people would get out, calmly, walk up to a building door, enter, knock on the door they were going to enter, making sure they were noticed by the entire building or neighbourhood, kick the door down if nobody answered and drag people out - men, women, children, no matter - kicking and screaming, by their hair, and throw them in the cars, to never be seen again.

        At some point, people snapped. Entire buildings started “welcoming” the agents, the door locked and the agents beaten by a dozen people or more, dragged out, thrown into their cars and driven away to be dumped somewhere and the cars destroyed by fire. The targeted family/house would be spirited away by the resistance, then linked to the communist party.

        My own grandfather had his fair share of beatings and not even carrying a gun spared him. One guy told him he had a limited supply of bullets and even if he and a few others were to die, there were plenty to beat him to death after he ran out of bullets.

        There is a point where everyone snaps and loses all fear.

        You guys have a lot of guns in civilian hands. It is a matter of time until someone throws their life away and kills a few men hiding behind badges.

      • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
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        I was thinking the other day that if the median decline in quality of life had taken place over a handful of years vs several generations, the fightback would have still been there. The slow decline seems to have just sapped all will, belief, and even values.