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The AI slop doesn’t belong on here.
Are you referring to the cartoon version of that “other woman” meme?
Yes, and it’s poorly done, too. The “other woman” shouldn’t be noticing the guy looking at her.
the guy isnt even looking at her, which is the whole point of the meme too
ai “artists” really are a talented bunch 💀
if the soyjak was hugging the shitty ghibli AI slop while complaining about the rest, this would’ve been 10/10
I am ok with everything in this but fuck AI slop.
Ohh, Lemmy support AI slop now, which the software is own and trained by- check note -mega corporation. That didn’t take long.
Also there’s a sneaky little “Support your local artist” on the crying wojak.
Artist/gamedev here, and AI slop does nothing but saturate our spaces with worthless garbage. Feel free to remix my content in any way you want. My game engine is also open source, you can either just use it as it is, or even use some of its parts for your own. But if you think AI is somehow good, then please don’t even touch my content, just ask ChatGPT or watever to make you the same thing based on the same idea I had, but AI.
When I first joined lemmy local AI was pretty popular here. Popular opinion has shifted a lot in the anti-ai direction recently, especially after the recent internet-wide outcry after OpenAI announced that model a few weeks ago. Corporate AI was never liked, but there used to usually be popular comments defending local AI.
It’s probably partially because the last notable advancement in local image gen AI was about 8 months ago now IMO (the flux model release). Also, ‘open source’ ai has become progressively less of a thing, with most models (even ones with released weights that you can run locally) released under restrictive licenses, probably turning away the foss-leaning fediverse population.
I think I have personally realized, since then, that the benefits of from-scratch image generation on society as a whole are almost nonexistent and “it’s fun to play with for a few hours” isn’t enough really justification for the potential harm to artists.
I really don’t have issue with AI, the issue i have is post like these. Real people are getting affect by this AI and losing income due to this, it’s real dick move to mock their anger and frustration.
Comparing individual piracy with a mega corp making millions of other peoples art style. I see.
there are models an individual can run on gaming hardware (ones that fit in the GPU’s vram or apu’s shared RAM)
Someone got some cut down versions of Stable Diffusion to run on a Pi Zero 2 a couple years ago ($15 computer)
Apparently it takes between 30 minutes and 10 hours to generate an image, but it’s still fairly impressive that it can do that at all
Thievery removes the original
Piracy COPIES the original
What if I stole a clipping from ur apple tree. It’s still there but now I have one too
Is that piracy or theft
Guerilla horticulture.
I don’t think anyone says the Ghibli filter is copyright infringement. You can’t really copyright an art-style. It’s just kinda a dick move.
I think you’d have to have a pretty unique style but if you could come up with one, you might be able to trademark it rather than copyright it.
Why is it a dick move?
Because Myasaki has very publically spoken about thinking AI generated stuff is horrible and soulless, and that he’d never use it. Them coming out with a Ghibli filter felt like it was a reaction to that.
Miyazaki, the shit take machine deadbeat dad who’s kinda known for being overall somewhat of a cunt? That miyazaki? His opinions don’t matter to me personally.
I expect to be burnt at the stake for this but SMH you people are falling over yourselves over someone just because he made good anime.
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He wasn’t a deadbeat dad. He was a workaholic and distance father, but he provided for his kids.
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He was a workaholic and expected the same level of commitment from his employees, not more. He frequently reanimated whole scenes while his eyes would allow it. Difficult to work with? Sure. Cunt? Nah.
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His work consistently had anti-war, pro-environmental and pro-worker/socialism themes. He made something more then “good anime”.
I’m wondering what shit takes you think he has or why they should outweigh his other accomplishments.
btw, Miyazaki grew up around his uncle’s plane factory. That’s why he has an appreciation of flying scenes and why he made Wind Raises, which really isn’t pro-war when you start dissecting it.
edit: He also has some of the best written female characters, each unique and sensible for the story.
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As I said, two things can be true. He’s a dick, but I still think he’s right about this.
Well for one, they didnt come out with a Ghibli filter, they just removed restrictions on imitating art styles and using ghibli style just became a trend.
And honestly who cares what Miyazaki thinks? He’s famously stuck in the past, stubborn and kind of elitist.
brushes off block button
“I need you again old friend.”
A lot of people care what Miyazaki thinks because he created over a dozen films that are beloved by millions because of their artistry, is well respected in the anime/manga world, and is generally regarded as a master of his artform. People tend to take your words seriously when they have nearly 50 years of experience and success behind them.
Yeah and JK Rowling created one the biggest and most popular series of all time.
That doesn’t mean her opinions deserve any sort of special consideration.
The issue with Rowling is more that she started talking out her rear end about something of which she doesn’t have much, if any, understanding. If she gave you advice on writing YA fiction, it’d be worth something. Miyazaki is a visual artist broadly respected for his art, so his opinions on visual art have some weight. If it was about the cultivation of kumquats, I think I’d ask a farmer.
Yeah maybe, but I would be willing to bet a lot of money Miyazaki couldn’t tell you how stable diffusion worked if his life depended on it.
I am honestly not informed enough to say whether the whole Ghibli trend grew organically, or whether it came from OAI marketing.
And yeah, Myasaki can be a bit of a dick, but I don’t think he’s wrong here. I worked with both LLM and image generation for some personal projects, and you have to coax it a lot to get anything halfway usable, and even then, it isn’t great. Even stuff that’s heralded as exemplary by the corps behind the trend mostly seems kinda shitty.
Also, even if you like GenAI, most of the stuff that OAI is doing right now feels like desperate attempts to keep the hype train rolling, to justify their frankly ludicrous valuation.
Goodbye
One of these things is not like the others
Is the top right one of these AI Ghibli images, that I’ve heard of these last few weeks?
Also, why is Fallout London and Skyblivion on that picture? Bethesda are supporting mods for their games, they don’t care that someone makes new stuff. Have they ever blocked one of these mods, like Take2 or Nintendo always do?
Because Bethesda tried to make money off of modders’ work, that’s why. Bethesda is as cancerous as Nintendo, especially after acquisition when the office “hunger games” started.
It’s like charging you 45% after building a house for using their shovel…
That’s entirely different case though? They didn’t pull the shit with FOL and Skyblivion.
Yet…
Ok? I don’t think taking money for mods is wrong. It’s not like Bethesda did this without the modders knowledge. Free mods still existed. Nowadays people just open a Patreon to get paid for this stuff.
What “hunger games” stuff do you mean.
The problem isn’t modders getting paid for their work. The problem was Bethesda trying to take a cut for mods they didn’t make.
Ok? I don’t think taking money for mods is wrong.
Nobody argued taking money for mods is wrong. The argument is Bethesda taking ~50% of someone else’s mod pay is borderline worthy of racketeering charges.
It’s not like Bethesda did this without the modders knowledge. Free mods still existed.
So the choice was getting nothing and getting shafted by Toddy, most people chose to get nothing and you think that was OK, and not at all a sign of disgusting behaviour, because Bethesda looked modders in the eye while they robbed them?
I will NEVER understand fanboys.
While I agree with you, that the money distribution was unfair, I think if you’re actually comparing this to the shit Nintendo pulls all the time, you’re insane.
Also, if you’re calling me a fanboy, because I don’t immediately blacklist a company for a (in my opinion) small issue, you have to be one as well, because otherwise you’d live off the grid in the woods.
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Edit: now that the placeholder comment has been replaced I can edit too.
While I agree with you, that the money distribution was unfair, I think if you’re actually comparing this to the shit Nintendo pulls all the time, you’re insane.
Bethesda, like Nintendo, has jumped the “bleed the fans dry” bandwagon, rather than make games that people love like in the days of yore. They indeed are as cancerous as Nintendo, just smaller.
Perhaps we can let Mick Gordon be the judge of that?
There’s still time to delete this
Meanwhile we’ll just take this mod and make it a gamemode, Charge for ideas used in emulators, charge for emulators.
Very nice! Now, let’s see Paul Allen’s straw man…
I look forward to opensource games on an opensource game store that allows devs to get paid. That would be amazing.
https://itch.io/ is pretty close just no exclusivly OS
That would be nice.
that allows devs to get paid
I can’t believe indie devs like LocalThunk or Toby Fox don’t get any money when someone buys their games. It’s really bizarre.
Or do you mean, that there are open source game platforms out there that don’t pay the devs?
If all the money should go to the devs, every game would need to be self-published, and the store would not take a cut, which isn’t realistic, if you want the store or platform to have any features.
I mean that I don’t know of an opensource game store, let alone one that allows devs to get paid. There are stores out there where devs publish their opensource games, but the stores themselves are proprietary.
I’m not sure how an opensource game store could be monetized. It would probably be donations. A part of those could go to the game store devs. Probably the closest we’ll get to something like that is the Heroic Launcher. If they added an index of opensource games and had a distribution package (I assume it would be flatpak) and some method of payment or donation link, it could be possible.
The itch.io desktop app is open souce, but afaik the website isn’t. It does actually allow devs to get paid though, through charges or encouraged donations. There are some games you can get from flathub or the standard linux package managers, but they don’t have any built in features to pay devs.
https://flathub.org/apps/category/game
The expensive part of hosting game files, pages, and mods isn’t really any different from what flathub or similar already does. I suppose cloud saves would require extra storage space, but I’d imagine an open source game store could charge for their cloud while also allowing p2p or a selfhosted cloud, which is a similar model to what a lot of open source projects with cloud features already do. That would be a fairly sustainable monetization scheme for the store I think, especially with donations on top of that.
Devs can be paid partially through donations, although I doubt that would be nearly enough without a system like Itch.io has where it always shows a payment screen that you have to click through before you can download the game. There are a couple more models, ArmorPaint is open source but you have to pay for binaries or compile it yourself, and Aesprite is source available (restrictive license) but takes a similar model. Overall though I don’t think open source games will ever become the standard, even for indie devs, and even if open source platforms do.
The only reason you would want any less than open source is if you are a greedy fuck.
