Bourgeoisie are not hive mind. Some of them are anti trans like Elon Musk. Some are pro trans. There is even one trans billionaire.
What a fucking moron.
I though that the LGBTQ+ community was supported by the entire left wing spectrum including the far left. Was I mistaken? Also, the notion that trans people are “bourgeoisie” seems to be contradictory considering that, historically, the LGBTQ+ community have lived on the margins of society including western societies.
His first point is correct. It is called the Democrats.
His second point is wrong. It is called the Republicans.
Bernie, as much as I disagree with him these days, had a great speech about this which surfaced around a year ago.
The entire reason the establishment love fighting on the LGBT issues is because it allows them to divide and conquer the populace while not addressing the economic disparity.
If Democrats were fighting on economic populism they would have completely destroyed the Republicans. But that is not their goal.
Worth noting this is a lemmy developer. (Most people don’t know “Nutomic”)
Yes, they are one of the few people who make big decisions when it comes to the development of Lemmy, and if they do it with bias they can cause problems for the rest of us. Especially since Sublinks is basically dead, no new development happening there. Lemmy is all we have right now, so we’re stuck with it until something else with a Lemmy-compatible DB comes along.
PieFed? Mbin? There are viable alternatives that aren’t that far behind.
The dev just had a baby and posted recently about the 1.0 api target in !sublinks@discuss.online, which was something they were waiting on.
Or forks it
Well there was only one and they seem to have dropped it to work on Sublinks, in the end both died.
Thanks this is exactly the context I was missing
And here is the punctuation you were missing: ,.
Pushed by the Bourgeois? Gosh I wish. The reason why trans people have rights is due to years of activism and science. (And the warning power of the church)
The Bourgeois have been trying to stuff us down forever. You saw how fast some corporations dropped their LGBT flags at the first sign of trouble. They don’t care about it
Even were it true, which it is not, that the ruling classes push LGBTQ+ acceptance, Nutomic’s argument would be ignorant at best and dishonest. Either they don’t know of all the historic instances in which those in power have played both sides of an issue against each other in order to divide potential opponents or, more likely, they are willing to selectively overlook it to justify their prejudices.
in other words, it’s true that it’s a distraction, but it’s a distraction in the opposite direction from what tankies like nutomic say. it being a distraction is not a reason to abandon your trans allies, it’s a reason to protect them from the hoardes of haters who don’t readize they act as class traitors when they attack our trans brothers and sisters
You’re 100% right. It’s ts a distraction insofar as it serves to quell the movement. The bourgeois elite gave these protections to queer people out of a singular desire to protect their capital interests. If they can mandate gay marriage is legal and suddenly capital is sharing pride month celebrations and the revolutionary intent behind the push for trans rights and queer liberation is stifled.
We got gay marriage, what’s there to be militant about?
It’s a distraction from the inherent oppressive system that has the ability to marginalize people in the first place.
Absolutely!
It’s not even “both sides” necessarily, to me that sounds a bit too elaborate for the rather dumb forces at play. It could be just “whichever side is more economically/politically useful at the moment”. After years and decades of LGBT activism, companies turned to LGBT acceptance to give themselves a more tolerable human face (after someone else has already done the work of humanising LGBT, but the companies want some of that aura). When they feel that it’s not politically profitable anymore, they just switch back to homophobia. Case in point: Musk who used to tell people not to buy his cars if they don’t support LGBT.
He thinks the bourgeoisie is a monolith and “pushes” things in agreement instead of their actions and ideologies being caused by their various material interests, often at odds with each other.
What zero systemic analysis does to a mf.
Yeah, both USAID, and Trump both exist, and they’re completely at odds with each other. Systems are never a monolith. It’s pretty much what makes a system a system
Will this cause a schism with hexbear in the tankie triad
“The bourgeois simultaneous pushing both sides of an issue to divide the working class? Nah, seems far fetched.”
Also, secretly? The worst thing about transphobes is their constant need to be the centre of attention.
Much like gender, the bourgeois are a spectrum.
Exactly. You have rich people who want a progressive society where everyone gets along and is grateful that some people are able to have so much money. And you have hateful fucks who will burn millions to act on their hate. Then you’ve got the cynical ones who play both sides so nobody notices them rummaging through our pockets. And you’ve got cynical ones who fear us and pin us against each other less we go for their heads, but they’ll usually find their hands in our pockets while we’re distracted, all of them will.
Really pisses me off the whole “males competing in female sports” comment from transphobes because it’s just so fucking sexist as well as transphobic.
They clearly look down on the female gender as the “weaker” gender as though they pose no threat. Like at least be consistent in your transphobia ffs.
I don’t know if you’re just not a sports person so you don’t follow enough to know, but it’s not a gender issue, it’s a sex issue, and it’s not a debate unless you literally never look at data.
Here are some examples:
100 Metres dash: every one of the last 25 male world records is faster than the current female world record (and thus every previous one), every continental record is higher than its female counterpart.
100 Metres freestyle swimming same for both long course and short course.
The Williams sisters challenged “any male top tennis player outside the top 200” claiming they could beat any of them and number 203 beat both in the same afternoon, after playing golf in trhe morning and drinking alcohol at lunchtime.
This has nothing to do with transgender rights and what trans people choose to identify as or whether they should be allowed to get surgeries or hormones or anything of the sort, sports are segregated by sex, not by gender, and there is no surgery to reverse male puberty.
Male puberty is akin to a years long round of doping, it literally releases testosterone into the body and, while some markers regress upon taking estrogen long enough (bone density and muscle density most of all), some aspects will never regress, like lung capacity and limb length, both of which are massive advantages in most sports.
There are some sports where this division is unnecessary, famously sport shooting records are very close, with women’s records outclassing men’s records more than a few times, if you ask the federations why this separation persists the answer is almost invariably to encourage females to participate as an “open” league rarely sees female participants.
However, in any sport where physical prowess is a factor, the sex separation exists for a reason. It’s not an -ism, it’s an exclusion for the benefit of females to be able to participate in the sport alongside people who don’t have an in-built biological advantage over them.
It’s also a complete strawman argument, right wingers instantly bring it up when discussing trans people’s basic right to exist, as if all trans people are trying to become professional athletes. They also conveniently forget that trans men exist when trying to argue their point.
They also conveniently forget that trans men exist when trying to argue their point.
- Most people forget trans men exist. If they get surgery and hormones they almost always pass enough to go completely stealth in day to day interactions, which is sadly rarely true for trans women.
- Trans men in sports overperform compared to cis women whom they wouldn’t want to compete against in the first place, and underperform against cis men. There is no reason to worry about an unfair advantage by allowing trans men to compete in their preferred category, and men’s categories are often open categories to begin with, so there may not even be a rule against it.
@nutomic@lemmy.ml Got anything to say about this buddy? Don’t say it was taken out of context, there isn’t any context that makes this shit better, and your rant about trans women in sports and how you think institutionalized transphobia is “far fetched” wasn’t even on topic there.
This community does not exist on lemmy.ml (probably banned), so I don’t believe they will see your mention here.
Can I just point out that he is almost certainly referencing the boxer that is definitely a cis female according to everyone but a organization that was removed from being in control of boxing because they did shady shit and won’t say why they think she’s not cis.
EDIT: CIA --> cis fucking terrible autocorrect.
if he’s referring to that, he’s most likely pushing this line because Russia controls that fake boxing association
It’s possible, though it’s also possible he’s referencing any instance of a trans woman winning at all. As is common for transphobes who wish to gatekeep trans people from sports.
What’s funny is that if you ask them to name some of their favorite female athletes, they won’t have any response.
Serena Williams, Caitlin Clark, there’s a few that they often trot out. Now, naming five… Good luck 🤣
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dude needs to face the wall tbh
What was the plugin this was a reply to?
Not entirely sure. I don’t know if the OP shared their original message.
@Zagorath@aussie.zone Shinigami eyes iirc.
