You have a highly idealistic perspective on China. This isn’t to say that things are lerfect in Europe or North America - they most definitely aren’t. But it is to say that two things can be true at the same time, i.e., there are growing issues in the West and China has a highly oppressive regime.
There is a natural temptation to whitewash and exxagerate the good in other times and places, especially ones that are directly juxtaposed to the one you are inhabiting and are critical toward.
However, we must resist these temptations lest we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistake over and over.
It’s just if you say a single thing positive about China that you get 20 replies about tank man or reeducation camps. No one cares to have a conversation about the thing you said about China they just spew state department talking points.
It’s like if I said something about the US being pretty good with gay rights (for now at least) and then people started saying: Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, MOVE bombing, George Floyd, GITMO, etc.
But you are the only reasonable reply here. I don’t disagree with much of what you said. I just think the backlash to saying anything positive about China while the US is literally going full 1939 is just completely disconnected. More so than any China idealizing would ever be.
There are good things about china , there are bad things about china … people focus on one or the other to suit(idk how to spell) their ideological needs.
PRC did improve the life of average ham chinese by leaps and bounds starting from 1990s onwards , but it does supress minorities , arrest for going against the party line , supress unions and strikes , but also invests in green energy , does massive projects to better the life of the average citisen , has rly invested into a lot of public things like rail , city pollution etc.
So can we agree that everything is a shade of gray and if someone wants to move to china out of their volition let them , but that person also needs to be aware how life there really is.
You have a highly idealistic perspective on China. This isn’t to say that things are lerfect in Europe or North America - they most definitely aren’t. But it is to say that two things can be true at the same time, i.e., there are growing issues in the West and China has a highly oppressive regime.
There is a natural temptation to whitewash and exxagerate the good in other times and places, especially ones that are directly juxtaposed to the one you are inhabiting and are critical toward.
However, we must resist these temptations lest we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistake over and over.
It’s just if you say a single thing positive about China that you get 20 replies about tank man or reeducation camps. No one cares to have a conversation about the thing you said about China they just spew state department talking points.
It’s like if I said something about the US being pretty good with gay rights (for now at least) and then people started saying: Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, MOVE bombing, George Floyd, GITMO, etc.
But you are the only reasonable reply here. I don’t disagree with much of what you said. I just think the backlash to saying anything positive about China while the US is literally going full 1939 is just completely disconnected. More so than any China idealizing would ever be.
There are good things about china , there are bad things about china … people focus on one or the other to suit(idk how to spell) their ideological needs.
PRC did improve the life of average ham chinese by leaps and bounds starting from 1990s onwards , but it does supress minorities , arrest for going against the party line , supress unions and strikes , but also invests in green energy , does massive projects to better the life of the average citisen , has rly invested into a lot of public things like rail , city pollution etc.
So can we agree that everything is a shade of gray and if someone wants to move to china out of their volition let them , but that person also needs to be aware how life there really is.
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