I mean, Lemmy used to have a big issue with CSAM being spammed by malicious users. Many people believed that it was pro-Reddit trolls, because it started happening right around the same time as the giant API debacle. It was a huge liability for the instance owners, because their server would automatically cache the content and they could be held liable for the CSAM being present on their server. It took a few months of dev time to add moderation tools, blacklisting, setting up automods, etc before it finally calmed down to the point that instance owners felt comfortable again.
By your logic, every single user in instances that got spammed should be banned. Because even if they didn’t see it, or interact with it in any way, they’re still personally responsible for it. After all, personal responsibility doesn’t stop existing in a large group of people.
Lemmy is celebrating cracking 50,000 users. Discord has 200 million MAU. They take a broader approach to punishment because it’s the only feasible way to avoid legal problems.
IIRC some Lemmy instances were defederated at that time for poor moderation and nobody complained. Its a reasonable approach to avoid liability.
You’re only proving your own argument makes no sense by stating this. How is any human being supposed to vet thousands of posts on every server they might join? I get that you’re not familiar with discord, so let me explain, tons of shit is EXCLUSIVELY hosted on discord, literally hundreds of programs, mods, bits of data and whatever else. It’s not on GitHub, it’s not on whateverupload, it’s just on discord, and you have to join the server to get to the download. That’s one of the many reasons people are forced to use discord. So are users meant to review every single post of a server the instant they join it to see if anyone has ever broken the rules? You’re insane.
My point is that it’s very naïve to assume that everyone in a given server knows what one person potentially posted once, especially the large servers.
Of course it’s possible they knew, but assuming by default that they had to have known is stupid.
You know that some servers can have tens of thousands of people right?
What’s your point? That personal responsibly stops existing in a large group of people?
I mean, Lemmy used to have a big issue with CSAM being spammed by malicious users. Many people believed that it was pro-Reddit trolls, because it started happening right around the same time as the giant API debacle. It was a huge liability for the instance owners, because their server would automatically cache the content and they could be held liable for the CSAM being present on their server. It took a few months of dev time to add moderation tools, blacklisting, setting up automods, etc before it finally calmed down to the point that instance owners felt comfortable again.
By your logic, every single user in instances that got spammed should be banned. Because even if they didn’t see it, or interact with it in any way, they’re still personally responsible for it. After all, personal responsibility doesn’t stop existing in a large group of people.
Lemmy is celebrating cracking 50,000 users. Discord has 200 million MAU. They take a broader approach to punishment because it’s the only feasible way to avoid legal problems.
IIRC some Lemmy instances were defederated at that time for poor moderation and nobody complained. Its a reasonable approach to avoid liability.
You’re only proving your own argument makes no sense by stating this. How is any human being supposed to vet thousands of posts on every server they might join? I get that you’re not familiar with discord, so let me explain, tons of shit is EXCLUSIVELY hosted on discord, literally hundreds of programs, mods, bits of data and whatever else. It’s not on GitHub, it’s not on whateverupload, it’s just on discord, and you have to join the server to get to the download. That’s one of the many reasons people are forced to use discord. So are users meant to review every single post of a server the instant they join it to see if anyone has ever broken the rules? You’re insane.
So, what you’re saying is, if someone on your Lemmy instance breaks the rules of another instance, your entire instance should be defederated, right?
When are you turning yourself in for associating with that one pedophile by existing in the same country?
My point is that it’s very naïve to assume that everyone in a given server knows what one person potentially posted once, especially the large servers.
Of course it’s possible they knew, but assuming by default that they had to have known is stupid.