I can tell you’re going to go through whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to convince yourself that voting for the lesser evil is somehow a win.
My friend, the only one performing mental gymnastics right now is you trying to convince yourself that what you have achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.
Sorry you’ve been conditioned to dedicate so much energy working against your own interests. If more of you diverted that energy to the people supporting our oppressors, we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion.
Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.
Because when you vote against a fascist you’re considering wider society, not just your self.
If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.
The correct statement is 'if Harris gets in, I lost. If Trump gets in everyone loses. Its about more than just you.
You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win
I’m not American. What I am though is able to see that fascism is worse than conservatism. The fact that conservatism is still bad is irrelevant when the only other choice is an actual fascist because the fascist will probably remove your power to vote in the future.
Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.
Yeah, some truths are too uncomfortable to be lived with aren’t they?
I find it very interesting how conceptualizing binary states vs continuous ranges play into justifying not voting for the lesser evil.
By definition, a request to acknowledge the lesser evil means that the audience is able to understand “evil” on a continuous range.
Yet all of the justifications I see against voting for the lesser evil center on viewing the world through an absolute, binary lens. “I lose either way.” “Genocide is genocide, nevermind that there’s more of it, protestors are being silenced, the ones doing the genocide call Trump’s administration a ‘dream team’, we now have a genocide against trans citizens as well”, etc.
Do you think you’d lose less had Kamala won? Why or why not?
My life is going to go on much the same no matter who is in office.
Ah, now you’re saying the quiet part out loud - you cast your vote from an ivory tower, and that privilege allows you to justify not voting by chasing an esoteric ideal while facing no real consequences.
Must be nice! If you have nothing at stake, there’s very little reason to listen to your suggestions about voting. You have no skin in the game - you’re the entitled rich kid protestor who, at the end of the day, goes back to a life they don’t have to worry about.
I like how none of this giant wall of text contests that you’re talking about votes from an insulated place of privilege. You’ll also notice that I never tried to influence who you vote for, I simply asked about why you voted that way. I let you explain why you would or would not be losing less if Kamala had won.
(I will say thought, If you feel penned in when asked to explain your thoughts, it might be a sign they require more consideration.)
I don’t give a shit how you vote, I just wanted to see the thought process behind folks who obstinately refuse to acknowledge that things are on a continuum, instead viewing things on a binary level. I want to talk to someone that believes so hard they they were willing to sacrifice, not someone to whom a vote is inconsequential no matter what.
You know how in flatland, the 1d dot cannot be blamed for not knowing there exists higher dimensions?
To your life experience, the candidates
were genuinely are the same. That is both enviable and pitiful.
You’ve literally recycled bullet points from multiple posts while not acknowledging a single thing I’ve said, lol.
Your life experience dictates that both candidates were the same. I’ve understood that about you, and I know that that’s why you don’t believe in a “lesser evil”, because to you they’re genuinely the same evil. Your life doesn’t change much no matter which was elected, so you feel free to vote your conscience. Does that sound about right?
Are you talking to me, trying to understand me, or are you talking to a caricature you’ve put up in your head? What makes you think I’m mad?
My friend, the only one performing mental gymnastics right now is you trying to convince yourself that what you have achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.
Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.
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Because when you vote against a fascist you’re considering wider society, not just your self.
The correct statement is 'if Harris gets in, I lost. If Trump gets in everyone loses. Its about more than just you.
I’m not American. What I am though is able to see that fascism is worse than conservatism. The fact that conservatism is still bad is irrelevant when the only other choice is an actual fascist because the fascist will probably remove your power to vote in the future.
Yeah, some truths are too uncomfortable to be lived with aren’t they?
I find it very interesting how conceptualizing binary states vs continuous ranges play into justifying not voting for the lesser evil.
By definition, a request to acknowledge the lesser evil means that the audience is able to understand “evil” on a continuous range.
Yet all of the justifications I see against voting for the lesser evil center on viewing the world through an absolute, binary lens. “I lose either way.” “Genocide is genocide, nevermind that there’s more of it, protestors are being silenced, the ones doing the genocide call Trump’s administration a ‘dream team’, we now have a genocide against trans citizens as well”, etc.
Do you think you’d lose less had Kamala won? Why or why not?
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Ah, now you’re saying the quiet part out loud - you cast your vote from an ivory tower, and that privilege allows you to justify not voting by chasing an esoteric ideal while facing no real consequences.
Must be nice! If you have nothing at stake, there’s very little reason to listen to your suggestions about voting. You have no skin in the game - you’re the entitled rich kid protestor who, at the end of the day, goes back to a life they don’t have to worry about.
That person is simultaneously saying that if Harris won, they would have lost while also saying that whoever is in office wouldn’t affect them.
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I like how none of this giant wall of text contests that you’re talking about votes from an insulated place of privilege. You’ll also notice that I never tried to influence who you vote for, I simply asked about why you voted that way. I let you explain why you would or would not be losing less if Kamala had won. (I will say thought, If you feel penned in when asked to explain your thoughts, it might be a sign they require more consideration.)
I don’t give a shit how you vote, I just wanted to see the thought process behind folks who obstinately refuse to acknowledge that things are on a continuum, instead viewing things on a binary level. I want to talk to someone that believes so hard they they were willing to sacrifice, not someone to whom a vote is inconsequential no matter what.
You know how in flatland, the 1d dot cannot be blamed for not knowing there exists higher dimensions?
To your life experience, the candidates were genuinely are the same. That is both enviable and pitiful.
Cheers, have a good day.
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You’ve literally recycled bullet points from multiple posts while not acknowledging a single thing I’ve said, lol.
Your life experience dictates that both candidates were the same. I’ve understood that about you, and I know that that’s why you don’t believe in a “lesser evil”, because to you they’re genuinely the same evil. Your life doesn’t change much no matter which was elected, so you feel free to vote your conscience. Does that sound about right?
Are you talking to me, trying to understand me, or are you talking to a caricature you’ve put up in your head? What makes you think I’m mad?