The CEO of Proton is pro-Trump.
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
Seeing Proton on the list so many times got me thinking. We let Google take over all of our services, and then they got worse and worse. Is there some system in place to stop Proton enshittifying once they’ve taken over the internet? Especially in light of the CEO apparently being an asswad.
This doesn’t change the CEO using an official proton account to praise trump and call him the GOP the party of the little guy. I don’t care about their real ideological opinion, but rather whether they’re going to gargle fascist balls and betray privacy. Trust is a fragile thing
Edit:a word
fuck
lol who give a shit? Stop bringing politics into everything
Whether an app/service is EU based should not always be a deciding factor when determining if it should be recommended.
Signal is a great example of that. It is based in the US, but surpasses other mobile messaging apps in terms of privacy and convenience. It is a US-based app you should recommend.
So let’s be nuanced and take into account that EU-based products or services may not always be the best choice, even with regards to empowering European citizens. In many cases, you will find that European states seek to disempower their citizens through the use of surveillance. So it is pretty ironic when a team of Americans are empowering you while your own government seeks to take that power away (Chat Control and the likes) to further subjugate you.
While I do agree with the general sentiment, this is NOT a “best product ever” community. Thos community has the explicit goal to provide European alternatives. Otherwise we could just scrap the entire idea and just go back to YouTube, Google and MS Office. Because let’s be real for a moment. They are at the top of their respective markets for a reason.
Also, Signal sucks! The only thing it has going for itself is security. Everything else is at best on par with other messengers. Signal has no voting, no tool bots, no topics for group chats, no cloud backup, etc.
No bear in mind, if security is what you want from a messenger, then Signal will do the job. But then again, why not just promote Matrix? It has pretty much the same (lack of) features and it’s actually European.
As much as I like matrix it’s not an alternative to Signal. Matrix is more akin to discord/slack/teams. The lack of bloat is why people love signal.
There’s also Norwegian Jotta Cloud for cloud drive.
There is also Aptoide to replace Google’s Play Store
It took me a while to understand why some apps/services had a + on top
For the love of all gods, stop recommending Proton, it’s run by a fascist Trump-loving cryptoscammer that hates open standards even more than Silicon Valley tech-bros. You might as well use American companies at that point.
That’s strong accusations and the first I’m hearing of that. Do you have a source? Because the only controversy I know of is that their CEO praised Trump’s pick for attorney general for the antitrust division a bit too enthusiastically. Which is not a stellar look but that does not make him a „fascist Trump-loving cryptoscammer that hates open standards.“
The only place people are throwing up the whole Proton / Trump controversy is Reddit and Lemmy. Lemmy is particularly worse. As bad as the endless scrolling of Linux praise and Windows bashing.
There’s an article somewhere where someone did a deep dive and ultimately concluded that the Protons CEO views do not coincide with that of Trump or his party.
There’s an article somewhere where someone did a deep dive and ultimately concluded that the Protons CEO views do not coincide with that of Trump or his party.
Would you have that link by any chance? That would be neat to use as a counter argument.
I am assuming he means this post from the community you linked.
Thanks!
The top comment on that thread seems to counter the arguments quite extensively
Yeah completely omitting Slater’s work lobbying on behalf of big tech like Google and Facebook to increase data mining when the whole defense hinged on that she’d be good for little tech made the medium article seem more like it was from a corporate PR stream. So intentionally deceiving playing up identity politics or not doing its due diligence what a quick wikipedia and Google search of the person Yen glazed over would reveal.
Her past is too questionable for a privacy company to endorse. But, move from Google to proton is still an improvement at the end of the day with its country of origin being its strength despite whatever the founder ceo may think.
he’s not a hitler-loving Nazi he just really likes that Goebbels dude.
Idk, it sounded more like „Man, that Hitler dude sure put the right guy in charge of the Autobahn network“.
Unless that Attorney General is indeed comparable to Goebbels. I dunno, I don’t follow US politics that closely. Politics at home are already depressing enough.
Idk, it sounded more like „Man, that Hitler dude sure put the right guy in charge of the Autobahn network“.
Unless that Attorney General is indeed comparable to Goebbels. I dunno, I don’t follow US politics that closely. Politics at home are already depressing enough.
Edit: Also that only addresses his alleged fascism, but none of your claims about him being a cryptoscammer or against open standards.
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This community has threads answering your question
Skimming through it I have only seen discussions about his praise of the trump administrations pick for attorney general for antitrust (which I already knew about). Haven’t seen anything about crypto scams or dislike of open standards.
These lists are consistently bad. To the extent I’m beginning to think it’s intentional so people don’t like the alternatives and go back to the worst.
Make a better one
Thats actually good idea, might do
Better yet, make an app
Lol, I barely know how to design a post, let alone an app😆
It does feel daunting to start, but the community is there to help 😊
That’s how i came and register from reddit just like 5 mins ago and this is my first ever comment.
SAME ! ～(つˆ0ˆ)つ｡☆
OsmAnd is a great map alternative as well, works great for any type of navigation
(there’s the open source free full version on F-Droid)
AFAIK HERE WeGo is an European maps app too.
These sharepics are simply not exhaustive. Having example alternatives and then pointing to one of three comparison websites, might be a better approach. But this would also be more convoluted.
+1, great alternative to gmaps, including traffic and public transport
That doesn’t use osm. Imo, it is just not as good
Missing traffic updates for smaller countries is an issue with osm
Wtf don’t recommend BeReal! They’ve been bought by Voodoo, a shady company trying everything they can to bypass Android/iOS privacy protection
Magic Earth, unlike Google Maps, not only offers you to show the known speed limits. It shows you radar traps.
TIL that Bitwarden is an US company. I love the product but thats a risk
It’s also self-hostable and FOSS.
Is there a concern there is going to be a tech trade war?
You never know
at least you can self-host
What’s the risk? That they would shut down operations randomly in the EU?
That they are forced to implement a backdoor for US authorities.
Switched to proton pass free from paid bitwarden and gotta say, its just better on so many fronts.
Same
I pay for SimpleLogin and as a result get Proton Pass. I began moving to it from Bitwarden but aborted when I saw it can’t manage app passwords. Basically on Android (maybe iOS too) I can sign into apps using Bitwarden.
Proton can log in to android apps? I’ve got it set as my password manager and it works just like bitwarden. Only reddit hasn’t worked for some reason.
Really? I’ll try again but when I imported from Bitwarden it stripped out all app related content.
My export/import had all data except my identities and cards. So perhaps check how your exporting/importing? I did not use automated ways I just did it manually by exporting and importing a file
Just reporting back to say that yes indeed Proton Pass can fill app credentials in too. I have no idea why it didn’t work when I tried it last month. I was trying it out as my Bitwarden subscription was due for renewal and I was seeing if it was worth migrating to Proton Pass. Sadly my renewal has come and gone now so will now be something I need to revisit next year.
Anyway, thank you for confirming that I was indeed incorrect.
Most of Session’s developers are Australian.
They moved their product to Switzerland because the Australian government started raiding them.
They seem to be a cool bunch but for some reason don’t want to implement some wanted privacy features.
I like so much about it in concept but Oxen feels like a grift, like it’s trying to be Onion Routing but by Crypto bros.
Maybe they’ll reconsider and switch to a non crypto bro onion network. Or some people take it up and remove it.
Ugh. I JUST started using it.
Well moving to Switzerland is a good move. But that doesn’t mean the developers in Australia are completely safe from their government.
Them removing Perfect Forward Secrecy is detailed below. I don’t really have an opinion on it, but many people say it’s not a good choice.
- https://getsession.org/blog/a-response-to-recent-claims-about-sessions-security-architecture
- https://getsession.org/session-protocol-technical-information
I still have hope for the project, although I wish it got completely decoupled from the crypto aspect. They think that people won’t support the network if there was no incentive, and that they themselves will not earn money from donations and other stuff. In reality the incentive makes it so you’d have to stake €700 (last time I checked on previous network) to add a node to the network, making it very hard to help out with cheap servers. And them having the crypto aspect does not make me want to donate.
The built-in onion network and anti KYC is pretty amazing. They also have offline message queues which many P2P projects lack.
My hopes are still up.
Check simplex, I think its much better
And I read there are some issues with their crypto implementation
