This is why Elon loves free speech for himself

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Well, a lot of the chargers also can’t charge the ioniq5 and the like at their full rates. So that is indeed a mess. But it is also the kind of mess that gets resolved over time as there is a bigger emphasis on “plug in while you go shopping” rather than dedicated locations.

Which gets back to the fundamental disconnect. People think of it in terms of going to a gas station and staring at the display while you debate if it is worth getting back in your car. When it really should be about 5-20 minutes here and 5-20 minutes there.

Its still going to be a disruption relative to stopping for gas and then flooring it for another 8 hours. But… my ass is old and that is a good recipe to have massive blood clots in my legs. Similarly, friends who can put up with children will always be on the lookout for a playground or a sit down restaurant. And, in terms of range, stuff like the ioniq5 and subaru soltera are more or less in that sweet spot of “stop at lunch, charge up, stop at a hotel and then get dinner at your destination” model. Combine that with 5 minutes here or there to increase margins and take a piss and it really isn’t that different than a road trip for people who don’t still think they are in their early 20s and trying to go 800 miles on a weekend trip.

You will not have that problem with Tesla though. All chargers are 150kW+.

Thats just getting the charging network sorted as I can already charge my EV from 20 to 80% (or about 47kwh) in about 18 minutes at the right charger and faster charging EVs are already coming. My car doesn’t even have battery pre conditioning that would improve things further.

Charging to 100% on stops on a road trip is always a bad idea, you are always going to need A LOT longer to get that last 20% or so than the 60% of charge from 20 to 80% due to the way current batteries work.

It is almost always quicker on an ultra fast charger to charge twice to 80% than once to 100% and you get significantly more range doing so. Charging twice to 80% nets me 94kwh and charging once to 100% from 20% nets me 61.6kwh, and the former is usually minutes faster to do as well.

Big batteries don’t charge faster than small ones due to both being different amounts of smaller batteries, at the same time installing quick charging capabilities in domestic garages is complete overkill, over night is perfectly adequate.

There’s probably going to be a mix of services: Quick charge ones which just might be done before you’re done peeing and looking at sandwiches, where the operator wants you out of the booth as quick as possible so another can come in, and more relaxed road side diner like situations where an hour is perfectly acceptable (well, at least from an European POV), but there’s also going to be as many chargers as parking spots.

Yea, 300-400 miles would be okay imo. However it takes me five minutes to fill my Gass tank and in that time everyone could go and pee and we can be on the road again. Roght now it’s like 40 minutes for am 80% charge on these cars. Also every few miles there is a gas station. Who knows how long inhale to drove to get to a charger.

I think instead of ev tax credits that largely benefit the wealthy they should have spent that rebate money rolling out rv charging stations. To be honest I think we need at least a 2:1 ratio of ev chargers to current gas pumps and more likely a 4-1 ratio for this stuff to really take oft.

Wait what? The fuel efficiency is based on the 5 cycle fuel economy test, which includes a mix of highway and city driving. IIRC the figures from EPA/CARB are less rosy than EU/WLTP.

Tesla is definitely the odd one out here. Most manufacturers you can meet or exceed if you try hard enough. When you look at legislation, they say to use good engineering practice. Tesla arguably is not in this case.

I’m not sure if the the BEV/PEV regulations were solidified when Teslas first came to market, but they sure as hell are now.

Wind makes for significant impacts, even on good cars. Let alone cars built so shittily that they shake apart on highways and leak when it rains.

The MPG ratings for ICE vehicles are a god damned mess on their own. There are lots of write ups out there but it is worth looking up the “golf ball car” video from Mythbusters (or just interviews with Adam Savage on Norm and Will Smith’s Tested). Your mood generally makes for massive variance. It is just that people tend to not really focus as much on a car they refuel once a week or once a month.

But, because of regulations, those are still incredibly valuable numbers. Maybe you aren’t getting 40 MPG city. but you ARE getting “about 33% better” fuel economy than a car with 30 MPG city.

Whereas tesla kind of just fucks around and then relies on gaslighting, fraud, and cultists. As is their way

The batteries prioritize keeping themselves warm. I’ve driven my Tesla down to -40. The range is decreased and phantom drain is increased, but it always starts at the end of the day, even when ICE cars all over my work parking lot don’t. I suppose it could be an issue for someone who isn’t mindful of the charge levels or who doesn’t have access to daily charging.

You probably have to use a portion of that energy to manage optimal thermal range.

I would be interested in the cars that lose 3% in cold weather. Got a source for what cars do they? Even the new Fords lose massive range

You might “buy” more things if you actually continue reading rather than instantly feeling the need to stop and respond to a post?

But to address a few of your expansions on what I said immediately after you just HAD TO CORRECT SOMEONE!!!

• People don’t drive around in freezing cold cars: It matters less what the temperature in the cabin is and more what the temperature on the battery itself is. Most designs try to consolidate both to a degree but, for safety and insulation reasons, you are going to have a difference
• Cars are heated and it doesn’t use much energy: That is only if you have a heat pump rather than resistive heating. Most of the mid/upper tier (e.g. ioniq5) provide these, but not all do. And, if it is snowing and raining hard, you will start to run into the limitations of a heat pump. At which point you are either SOL or back to resistive heating
• If your EV is plugged in overnight: That is one of the ongoing issues with EVs where the vast majority of apartment complexes and hotels don’t have chargers
• EV batteries and motors generate heat when they are running: To nowhere near the same degree as a combustion engine

And then you just reiterated exactly what I said after you cut off the quote, regarding different brands and models having different behavior.