- Top Democrat politicians tried nothing to stop a Trump win on the Presidential Election and were all out of ideas.
- Democrats naturally Lost to Trump
- Top Democrat politicians sent their minions and useful idiots around to blame people who didn’t vote for them because they tried nothing to appeal to them (as part of the grand strategy of trying nothing to stop a Trump win).
- Top Democrat politicians carried on doing nothing to stop Trump <- We are here
Leaders is a strong word. A bunch of dudes mollycoddled by their privilege and standing. Kill your idols. I love the Onion.
*mollycoddle
Voters’ vision is based on movement.
Americans who told democrats to fuck off, and refused to vote for them, now want those same democrats to save them. 🤦♂️
That’s kind of their job though. A lot of people DID vote for them, and they’re not doing anything to protect our democratic institutions.
That’s what they get paid for after all
So, why do those Dems expect people to vote for them, if they are going to ignore the will of the voters, anyways?
This is as close to factual reporting as we’re likely to see for a minute. This isn’t satire; it’s sociopolitical commentary.
Always has been
Don’t shit on journalists. If the media is your enemy then you’re no better than MAGA.
I have no issue with journalists, but you’re not going to find them on an entertainment channel. The Washington Post was rubber stamping war profiteering before Bozos bought them.
The majority of outlets are owned by an ever concentrating number of billionaires. Blind trust is the last thing you want to give them.
Random counterexample, John Oliver probably agrees more with you than me and he runs a comedy news show on HBO. There are tons of people just like him.
The fact that Washington Posts’ Harris endorsement which Bezos prevented from printing was immediately leaked means the editors and owners do not have complete control of the narrative.
Bro… John Oliver is a comedian and doesn’t consider himself a journalist: https://www.npr.org/2016/02/12/466569047/is-john-olivers-show-journalism-he-says-the-answer-is-simple-no
He’s also not a billionaire nor own the show or the network it’s on.
Like you’re agreeing that the media outlet is under orders to shape the narrative… But then somehow take the individual journalists leaking things they were ordered not to as some perverse reason to still trust the outlet?
I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say as your defense of the American press is a British comedian and an admission a billionaire shapes WaPo’s narratives.
You are all over the map.
When corporate media is primarily concerned with profit. That’s not free press.
Which isn’t to say journalists don’t have a right to earn a living. But rather that shareholder profits have way more influence in what gets published then they should.
What you fail to realize is accruement of capital of many opposing businesses isn’t the enemy at this juncture.
The unchecked power of an elected fascist dismantling democracy is.
There is no all consuming hivemind that connects to people more as their wealth increases, they’re all competing against one another.
Elon Musk’s media machine and unchecked wealth is a large part of why we are even having this conversation.
And in 2016 it was Fox News.
And while you are correct, that businesses are competing against each other and there is no overarching hive mind. They also have an incentive to compete against the working class. And in that regard, many corporations are aligned.
Folks can compete with each other and still have common interest. And in a capitalist society, the common interest of capitalists is to suppress and oppress the working class.
Edit: also, I didn’t down vote you for your opinion. I down voted you for presuming to know what I realize and what I don’t. Because frankly, it felt rude.
The way I see it is they’ve got more incentive as rational actors to promote security and equality. What is interfering with that is irrational primal instincts that make some of them want to hoard wealth and attack those who are physically or culturally different from them.
More billionaires supported a candidate who promised to tax their unrealized gains than they sided with Trump. Trumps billionaires just happened to capture enough social media to tilt things his way.
Oh yeah I agree there.
And I admit the original comment that started mine in your conversation was too broad. There are enlightened business interests who understand that security and equity is good for business in the long term. I did undergraduate business administration studies, and they teach DEI. Not because it’s the ethical thing to do, but because it is good for the bottom line in the long run. Especially in a diverse globalized economy.
But I also get their knee jerk reaction about the media. Billionaires operating on those primal instincts have captured a lot of it, and it is frustrating.
The actual Journalists have mostly been fired from most mainstream media in the US.
It’s now mostly Propagandists and Click-bait Enhancing Specialists.
You can blame Liberals as much as the MAGA crowd for moving newspapers away from Journalism and into Propaganda.
We still hear about Trump dismantling government offices with interviews from employees, we still hear about hospitals shutting down, we still hear about environmental disasters, we still hear about the ICE in military gear going door to door.
You might not like whats in the news, but Journalists are working for your benefit.
The shocking obvious superficial shit that brings in lots of clicks will always be published.
That’s what gave Trump lots of proeminence from the very start - say something outrageous -> have the Click Enhancers put your face and your words in front of everybody.
The actual real Journalism (especially Investigative Journalism that dig down into the details and dug out things like closed-door agreements to tilt things just so in favour of a few) has long moved out of the big news media, as has actual Journalistic Ethics ever since newspapers started to be expected to do things like side with a candidate in Presidential elections.
You’re confusing companies owned by billionaires which historically, decades ago, did have actual Journalists on the payroll, with present day makers of Journalism.
Just note how little Corruption or at the very least Conflicts of Interest of people in positions of power is mentioned in the big newsmedia publications.
People should be realizing it’s all been bullshit. They don’t care about us.
It’s all the same game, left, right, business, drug dealing, street life and mainstream life… It’s all the same game, getting “mine” and fucking all other lives over until you do.
They are never going to help you and if they say they will it’s not genuine.
Except Bernie.
They literally
cannot
do
anything
because we voted them out of power, you colossal morons.
People should, but you’ll still see die-hard shitlibs in comments sections on .world defending the Democratic party, defending the Harris/Walz campaign, and blaming anyone to their left for their defeat. 45% of the Democratic party think the problem is that they haven’t moved far right enough, and the concept of a third party is still met with constant derision.
I honestly no longer think Americans will ever get out of this. I don’t think most of them even want to. It seems like the average American doesn’t want democracy.
Lots of people have been brainwashed to not want democracy. They want a 2 team system because it gives them the good feelings of 'im better than the other guys" regardless of how factually true that is. And when there is an other guy that they explicitly aren’t better than, like a third party candidate, its all kinds of rationalization as to why actually its better to choose the shittier option because otherwise you might get the feally shitty option. As opposed to just not choosing a shitty option.
This is a rational choice in a first past the post voting system with two major parties.
The structure of our elections essentially guarantees this outcome regardless of the voters.
For real. It’s dead.
It’s wild from my perspective. It’s dead as fuck.
The population really was indoctrinated to be passive servants of evil. Marketing… Capitalism…
It’s wild. Even hip-hop went dogshit. It used to be a culture about the people and it nows it’s been raped by the same old bullshit. It’s either left, right, or street which isn’t any different then left or right anymore., it’s just bitch men raping lives sucking all they can out of innocent people like the ceos or politicians. No one is living for humanity.
It really is people who love humanity vs people that want to control humanity. And it’s world wide. Nations and organizations or businesses can be disregarded in this war. It’s far bigger than that. Even the dumb Nazi shit is just a blip on the map of the evil humanity is against. All these people get power from the same source… Their need of ego, power, influence, and money.
USA already has suicide bombers but they blame it on isis, or other groups. I saw someone put it right, “America is a third world with guchi belt.”
Poor people and minorities already know what’s up. Immortal technique had it right,
"I laugh at America’s fears
Of a new world order controlin’ the hemisphere,
Because my people have been livin’ that
for the past 500 years."
This war isn’t new for many of us. It’s everyday life.
The Democrats and Republicans only purpose is to protect the capitalist class. The GOP is going too hard in the wrong direction will will hopefully upset the working class to invoke real change. Any day now…
A huge percentage of the problem is what people think is left.
https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
Hilary was right of Trump, just less authoritarian. The whole caravan spectacle was basically fallout of her time as secretary of state under Obama.
Liberalism coopted equality from socialism. Rainbow capitalism will underpay and shrinkflate all the poors equally in the name of the shareholders.
Conservatism coopted a man being entitled to the sweat of his brow. Profit is what’s left over after reinvesting in the business and wages. Every cut corner of quality and penny of retirement savings denied is more riches for the ruling class. Workers eagerly defend their bosses entitlement to the sweat of their brow.
Media plays the masses that deserve both against itself.
You should check out some Adam Curtis Documentary.
The century of self; It’s about frueds cousin understanding psychology and starting the type of marketing we see today and how it’s gained traction in politics and government.
The Trap; I haven’t finished it. But it seems on point. its been awhile but I believe this one is more about geopolitics. Proxy wars and stuff like that. Manipulating other countries for our (us) profiting.
Hyper normalization was good as well. i dont think it was the main plot or talking point but it mentions Trump’s tactics in NYC in the 70s. Buying up the poor and selling to the rich.
There’s a channel on YouTube that has all them for free. I think it’s official.
“Did it work? I think we’re in the clear for now, but that was a close one. They could have talked to us, for crying out loud, or worse—demanded that we do something."
Egg-fucking-zactly
If the Schumer fits…
You. I like you.
I like you too.
It’s cute how people want the dems to put on their cape and save them.
They offered a crime fighter instead of a felon. They offered someone who can identify with four separate disparaged groups and who held 2-3 college degrees. They offered America’s mom and dad.
People couldn’t come out and vote. America doesn’t want them.
Those who voted at all chose an elitist 34-time felon who victimized women, who tried quid-pro-quo for aid relief, incited insurrection and then pardoned people collectively guilty of terrorism and felony murder, stole and hid secret documents, and engaged in keystone conspiracy to avoid prosecution and return of those docs – and some are still missing. You voted a lock into two branches of government when they already controlled the third. Like, just, how dumb are you?
Please ask yourself what you’re entitled to at this point, and maybe change your fucking tone. Start with “sorry” and end with “how can we help”?
Release the downvotes. Begin projecting. Just stop the fucking bleating.
TBF, I’d prefer a random felon over a random DA. Also, the people did elect many Democrat representatives, who are not doing their jobs in the eyes of most of the people who have elected them. And the answer to "how can we help,” is always donating to them to do so little, even when they were in power.
What I want Dems to do right now is identify and call out the unprecedented actions of Republicans.
I want them to loudly say “we will not sign any budget bill that doesn’t address Elon”.
What I want them to do is introduce bills to protect the federal government.
Just because the party isn’t in power, doesn’t mean they are powerless. The Republican majority is paper thin. Now is the time to exploit that and to make the case to Americans “this isn’t normal”.
Instead they are being silent, which is the exact wrong move. Did Republicans ever STFU as a minority about CRT, DEI, woke, or hunter’s laptop? No. Dems need to take a page out of that playbook.
They and you are acting like it was a landslide lose. It was not. Now is not the time for a pity party and a vacation.
They offered a genocidist, who campaigned with the Cheneys. Maybe next time, the Democrats could offer a candidate that the people actually want.
I liked Kamala Harris. But getting the Cheneys on her side made me wonder if we were the baddies.
I’m not a Democrat, so take this with a grain of salt: I think the Democratic leadership are indeed the baddies (just like the Republican leadership). I think most Democratic voters are well-intentioned people, who’ve been suckered into beliving the lies leadership.
It’s OK to be suckered in. I’ve been suckered into a lot of things. To broadly paraphrase: The best time to realize you’ve been suckered is yesterday. The next best time to realize is today.
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What the people wanted:
an elitist 34-time felon who victimized women, who tried quid-pro-quo for aid relief, incited insurrection and then pardoned people collectively guilty of terrorism and felony murder, stole and hid secret documents, and engaged in keystone conspiracy to avoid prosecution and return of those docs
Better than that genocidist bitch!
“You can have an American cheese sandwich with mayo or eat literal shit and elect a fascist. What doncha want?”
^This asshole: I wasn’t given a solid choice!
I’m not sure most people did want Trump. His approval rating is terrible, and the majority of people didn’t vote for him.
I think a better analogy would be: Do you want a shit-sandwich, or a shit-sandwich with rainbow sprinkles.
Are the rainbow sprinkles better? I guess yeah, techinically. But I’m still not eating the sandwich. Maybe next time, the Democrats should leave the shit out of the sandwhich.
They’ll do anything but accept blame for the situation we’re in.
Democrats aren’t great but lazy non voters are worse. Or those who choose to feel smug voting for third parties who don’t stand a chance instead of accepting that things can’t be perfect but can be better with a very imperfect choice.
I’m curious how this translates into a strategy to win elections. I want Democrats to be realistic. Running as “better than Trump” lost 2016 and 2024. If Democrats don’t show strong leadership, then we’re all lost.
Democrats are far from great, in fact they are pretty evil. I don’t see how voting for a party that gets more evil every election is going to make anything better.
I think it’s pretty fair to blame the democratic leadership for being evil, and running a terrible candidate, who ran on a terrible platform, rather than blaming the voters who loudly told them what to change to earn more votes.
Yeah, because reality now is soooo much better. /s
Accelerationists are either insane or stupid.
Democrats could change if people voted for them every election and every primary. But that requires work. It’s the one thing Republicans did and you can witness how right batshit insane they are because they did just that. AOC put in the work. Shame the bulk of left leaning voters don’t do the same.
Who said reality is better now? I certaintly didn’t. I’m also not sure why you brought up Accelerationists. Maybe you’re replying to the wrong post?
The Democratic leadership has had the chance to change, and have chosen not to. They had a majority, and spent the entire time bitching that there was nothing they could do for their voting base. But they sure had the ability to do things that their voting base expressly didn’t want. I think voters saw through that, and when the time came to put their faith in the Democratic leadership, they couldn’t. And I don’t blame the voters for that, I blame the leadership.
I don’t understand what you mean by AOC putting in the work. I constantly see her talking a big talk, but I’ve yet to see her walk a big walk.
Razor thin majority, biggest climate change bill ever, canceled student loans, navigated covid. Sure, they didn’t do anything. /s
Was it a metric ton? No but it’s better than the alternative.
But hey, why not let Republicans back in to dismantle all that and more. Surely that’s better.
If we’re this stupid then we deserve all this and more.
They fell far short of canceling the student loans that they promised, the climate bill was laughably insufficient, they did a terrible job during covid. They also recked the economy (some of which wasn’t their fault, some of it was), backed a genocide, and ran 2 terrible campaigns. It seems pretty clear to me why voters didn’t trust them.
I also never advocated for letting the Republicans back into office. I’m not sure where that came from.
