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You say that but articles like this don’t fit that narrative. There are Republican voters who like Bernie and they have been showing up to his rallies for years. I know several Trump voters who have said they would have voted for Sanders if they got the chance. The idea that progressives don’t appeal to conservatives is neoliberal propaganda. Progressives hit on alot of the same problems as conservative politicians they just have different solutions (and a lot less bullshit). Neoliberalism just pretends that the status quo is fine. Despite the name conservatives are largely unhappy with the status quo. That’s how we got Trump.
Brother, who the hell says they’re a fan of Sanders and then willingly votes for Trump other than chaos agents or racist who want to bury social issues?
More than you think. Trump is a fascist piece of shit but he’s not wrong when he says the system is rigged and drastic change is needed. Replace Trump’s Nazi rhetoric and egoism with workable ideas and genuine empathy and in simplistic terms you have Sanders.
Yeah, a not-insignificant portion of Trump’s voters are people who have been shafted by the system and are desperate for change, any change. Two out of three times, Trump was the candidate offering change. That he’s destroying stuff is, to them, secondary at best because they think their lives can’t get much worse anyway.
You can be flippant about the nature of first past the post voting systems if you like but it’s not a useful contribution to the discussion. If you want to be POTUS you run as an R or a D and Bernie is not an R. That does not mean there are not R voters who like his policies.
It is surprising how many people don’t realise the spoiler effect inherent in first-past-the-post makes running as an independent an bad idea: you are more likely to split the vote with a candidate who agrees with some of your points, causing both of you to lose, than being able to bring change.
I know this is true. Bernie was one of the few I saw as possibly bridging the gap. I knew multiple people who were Republicans that said they would vote Bernie because he was a man of conviction. I think Bernie would have pulled a lot of Republicans in 2016 because of the climate. So many rural people voted Trump in protest of the establishment more than a love of DJT back then. 2020 was a different story, so was 2024. 2016 I think he would have had a real shot to take from both sides with how little enthusiasm Hillary and Trump had. Bernie’s rallies dwarfed either of them. He had so much momentum. But this will always be a what if…
You say that but articles like this don’t fit that narrative. There are Republican voters who like Bernie and they have been showing up to his rallies for years. I know several Trump voters who have said they would have voted for Sanders if they got the chance. The idea that progressives don’t appeal to conservatives is neoliberal propaganda. Progressives hit on alot of the same problems as conservative politicians they just have different solutions (and a lot less bullshit). Neoliberalism just pretends that the status quo is fine. Despite the name conservatives are largely unhappy with the status quo. That’s how we got Trump.
Brother, who the hell says they’re a fan of Sanders and then willingly votes for Trump other than chaos agents or racist who want to bury social issues?
More than you think. Trump is a fascist piece of shit but he’s not wrong when he says the system is rigged and drastic change is needed. Replace Trump’s Nazi rhetoric and egoism with workable ideas and genuine empathy and in simplistic terms you have Sanders.
Yeah, a not-insignificant portion of Trump’s voters are people who have been shafted by the system and are desperate for change, any change. Two out of three times, Trump was the candidate offering change. That he’s destroying stuff is, to them, secondary at best because they think their lives can’t get much worse anyway.
Then Bernie should have run for the Republican nomination. He tried running for the Democrat nomination twice, and he lost twice.
I mean, he probably would have encountered less resistance from party leadership.
You can be flippant about the nature of first past the post voting systems if you like but it’s not a useful contribution to the discussion. If you want to be POTUS you run as an R or a D and Bernie is not an R. That does not mean there are not R voters who like his policies.
Did you miss the part where I said he ran for the Democrat nomination, twice?
I never said otherwise, but how does that help him win a presidential election?
My whole point is that Bernie could not win a presidential election in the US. How has anything you’ve said disproven that?
He’s not a D either, he’s an SD
Which is much closer to D than R
Yes
The DNC rigged it against him. He should have ran independent. The DNC is corrupt af.
Yep.
Nope. Wouldn’t have worked.
Yep.
It is surprising how many people don’t realise the spoiler effect inherent in first-past-the-post makes running as an independent an bad idea: you are more likely to split the vote with a candidate who agrees with some of your points, causing both of you to lose, than being able to bring change.
I know this is true. Bernie was one of the few I saw as possibly bridging the gap. I knew multiple people who were Republicans that said they would vote Bernie because he was a man of conviction. I think Bernie would have pulled a lot of Republicans in 2016 because of the climate. So many rural people voted Trump in protest of the establishment more than a love of DJT back then. 2020 was a different story, so was 2024. 2016 I think he would have had a real shot to take from both sides with how little enthusiasm Hillary and Trump had. Bernie’s rallies dwarfed either of them. He had so much momentum. But this will always be a what if…