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That atrocity of a first season completely killed any joy to found with this sadly
After finishing the first episode of the show, I turned off the television and spent 20 minutes explaining why I refused to watch another second of it to my wife.
After watching the entire first and second seasons my wife still didn’t (edit: completely) understand what the dark one is, what it wants, or who Rand is, why he’s important, or who the forsaken are and what they want.
I think that says a lot about the shows inability to convey even fundamental foundational information about the series.
ETA: Once I explained everything to her it all made sense, but that should have been the shows job, not mine.
That’s so bad that I’m kind of impressed.
Same. Your wife was really sick of it by the time i wrapped up. Sorry!
I really enjoyed the first season.
The books were great but they seriously suffered from lack of editing. Example: nobody needed to see that much of Mat whining and being an ass on the barge ride up the river and I’m glad the show left it out. I’m cautiously optimistic that the show will pull off judicious improvements to the storytelling.
Let’s go save Faile for the fourth time, except this time we’ll spend two and a half books on it!
She really shoulda kept her name as Mandarb.
Blood and bloody ashes, I just started my first re-read in a few years. I’m about 1/4 of the way through The Dragon Reborn. I have a new place to post my flaming book reports!
If I had a braid, I would be tugging it at your language
Can’t wait! I’m really glad I discovered it through the show, now on book 10 and on one hand I can’t wait till I finish and at the same time I’m dreading it.
Oh, so youre already coming near the end. The last two books are fucking great. They are absolutely fantastic.
Don’t worry you’ll reread it again 😋
Part of the pros of it being so long is by the time you’re done you can start over again and it feels fresh hahs.
“Reread”, “within a few years”?
I could barely struggle through the first two books iirc. Or was it the third one I started. Second or third, but it repeated the first so much I got bored and just kinda left it.
It’s a slow burn, with some parts that are admittedly kind of painful to read. I’ve read most of the books probably 5 or 6 times. Some I’ve only read once or twice, no one needs to read Winter’s Heart more than once really. This time though I’m doing a full re-read. It’s a big undertaking, 15 books.
There’s some great material throughout, but as a whole from Lord of Chaos to Winters Heart, i mostly skim. I really, really don’t like Salidar. And UNHOLY FUCK, some of his names, of which there are hundreds, are only differentiated by a single letter.
Thought this was a Disney reference.
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I did, thanks!
Is the Wheel of Time related to the Dark Tower books?
The best way I could describe Randland (an informal term for The Wheel of Time setting) would be a less dystopian Middle Earth.
It’s a larger and happier - and even more pure in a non-earthly-religions sense. In a good way. But there’s still world ending conflict, it’s just - incoming controversial opinion - better than Middle Earth.
It’s a massive world and worth every word read. It’s a lifelong re-read for me, and I don’t even re-read LoTR.
There is a similarity to Midworld and its relation to Earth in the series, but it would be spoiler-y for me to elaborate.
It’s very much The Hero’s Tale. Village - Adventure - Save the Cat. But it’s how it should be.
Edit: the show is not a place to start. Not slagging it, but it’s incomparable to the books. Best experience is the OG audiobooks narrated by Michael Kramer and Kate Reading, not Amazons re-recorded rights grab.
It’s not better than Middle Earth. But it is very cool. I need to reread, I’ve only read it once and that was over a decade ago.
The Amazon show was so disappointing but kinda inspired me to read the books again. It’s just such a daunting task to get started 😅
Stephen King dark tower?
No. Not western, no guns, no science, not really horror.WoT is the whole “forgotten/suppressed magic, ‘the one’, forces of long imprisoned evil” kinda fantasy, along with a rise to power, world politics, massive battles, adventure, and - I guess - romance.
Has a lot of the tropes, but carves a great story and adventure.
I genuinely recommend it. I’ve read it 3 times, and I enjoy the TV series.It’s a 15 book epic fantasy, with the last 3 books written by Brandon Sanderson according to (deceased, 2007) Robert Jordans notes.
It’s good.
It has it’s faults, Robert Jordans writing has it’s faults.
But it is good, a great story, a great adventure, a great over-arching story. And 15 books long, makes it great read to sink into and enjoy.
I still recall “Eye of the World” as the hardest to read book I’ve ever read. I don’t regret it but it greatly reduces my desire to reread the series.
Didn’t seem that bad to me (though I’ve definitely read books with better flow), I had that exact same thing with Game of Thrones.
One day I’ll get through this series. There is some really good stuff there but it’s not an easy read. At this point I feel like it might be too much effort but who knows. I’d like to finish it some day, but I don’t really want to re-read the first 6 books again just to re-orient myself in the story.
Yeah, it can be brutal.
When I started reading it, it was like three or four books in. So I’d reread everything as each book came out. By about book 7ish, that was becoming a major undertaking, and I can read most books in a day. Not WOT though, that’s a three day commitment even if I wasn’t working. They’re long and detailed.
Since the last book came out, I’ve re-read the entire series once. I sometimes think about doing it again and the answer in my brain keeps saying “naaaaah, dawg, maybe later” lol.
The series is definitely worth reading end to end at least once though, and the first three are relatively easy to zip through.
If it was me, I’d go look for one one the synopsis sites or whatever and play catchup that way instead, or read the first few and switch to a synopsis or timeline for the rest.
Surely at this point some diehard fan has put together an abridged version? If One Pace can exist surely Wheel of Time Saving can? I’d like to read that one to be honest.
Tbh, part of what makes it so heavily loved is the details. It’s a masterpiece of world building. So fans tend to react poorly to the idea of anyone messing with it.
Then there’s the fact that the estate ight abstracted. It’s still the people that loved him and lived with him. So they won’t likely allow it to stay up long, so it would be something that would have to be distributed peer to peer. That’s fine for what it is, but it makes it more niche than it otherwise would be.
I’m not even sure how it would be done without gutting it to the point it’s a different story. You can kinda synopsize parts of it and save space/time, but it would only reduce the overall size by about a single book because there’s so many of those side scenes that would still need to be addressed, you can’t just entirely cut them.
After I started writing, which was before the last two, I had a fresh perspective on editing. So I was looking for bits that might be rearranged or shifted or reduced. There’s definitely stuff in there that could be condensed. The problem would be doing so without wrecking that distinctive Jordan voice. You’d essentially be rewriting entire chapters, and even Sanderson with all the notes and guidance still didn’t perfect that voice
A fan cut? I’m dubious. A cliff’s notes would be better, imo. That at least doesn’t mangle the good parts in the name of brevity
Audiobooks at 2x speed seemed to help me. I didn’t notice the lag in the story as much.
While a good series without a doubt, it suffers from the tradition of each book being about “100 pages too long” and in need of editing. It would be interesting to see if a newer LLM could do that in a way that would make it a tighter story.
Average 3rd Age user of 2nd age artefacts.
Calm down wetlander
Meh. WoT is my favorite overall series but there are probably entire books worth of material that can be dropped. I bet a competent editor could tell the story in 7-10 books without really changing anything.
Do we seriously need to spend 15 chapters watching Perrin formulate a plan to save Faile, again?
Ebou Dar was really cool. I didn’t need to spend four books there.
