Your take assumes a binary choice: either militarize space or surrender it. That’s the same tired logic that justifies every arms race. Why not advocate for international treaties that prevent anyone from turning orbit into a battlefield? Or is that too inconvenient for those who profit from perpetual conflict?
China isn’t reacting to some noble threat; it’s playing the same imperialist game, just under a different banner. Both sides are carving up space for dominance, not defense. Pretending one is more justified than the other only fuels this dystopian spiral.
Instead of cheerleading for one empire over another, maybe question why humanity’s greatest frontier is being turned into yet another arena for power struggles. The stars deserve better than this petty tribalism.
The 1967 treaty was a symbolic gesture at best, toothless in a world where empires operate above their own laws. Blaming one empire’s violations while excusing another’s opportunism is just ideological cosplay. China isn’t “forced” to militarize space—it’s choosing to, because power, not principle, drives these decisions.
If you think space should be a battleground for dueling empires, just say so. But don’t dress it up as some righteous response to injustice. The entire framework of international agreements collapses when every player uses violations as a pretext for their own ambitions.
The stars don’t belong to nations or corporations. They’re the last place we should let imperialist squabbles metastasize.
I’m pointing out that this is a material response to material conditions. Ideology is irrelevant. This is just realpolitik. Why should China leave itself defenses against the empire?
You’re the one swinging ideology around, but your peacenik ideology won’t protect China from inevitable US aggression.
The inevitability of US aggression doesn’t justify replicating its imperial playbook. If China’s actions are purely reactive, why do they mirror the same expansionist strategies? Militarizing space isn’t defense—it’s escalation, and dressing it up as “material conditions” is just a euphemism for empire-building.
Realpolitik isn’t a shield from critique; it’s an admission that power trumps principle. If you’re fine with that, own it. But don’t pretend it’s some noble resistance. The moment you excuse one empire’s overreach because of another’s, you’re endorsing the cycle of domination.
Peace doesn’t come from picking sides in an arms race. It comes from rejecting the premise that empires deserve the stars at all.
What do you want China to do? I’m sure you aren’t demanding they just let the US militarize space unopposed, so surely you have something else in mind.
Are we seriously back to this? I already laid out the alternative: reject the arms race altogether. You’re acting like I didn’t just dismantle the entire premise of “material conditions” as an excuse for empire-building. Militarizing space isn’t defense; it’s escalation. That was the point from the start.
But sure, let’s spell it out once again. If China genuinely wanted to counter U.S. imperialism without mimicking it, it could focus on international cooperation instead of unilateral dominance. Build alliances for peaceful space exploration, fund global scientific initiatives, and push for treaties banning weaponization of space. The goal shouldn’t be to outgun the U.S. but to make militarization itself politically untenable.
If you’re so invested in this circular argument, at least admit it’s not about solutions—it’s about justifying domination. You want to frame this as “realpolitik,” but all you’re doing is cheerleading for one empire over another. That’s not strategy; it’s surrender to the same tired logic that keeps humanity locked in cycles of conquest.
So, what should China do? Stop playing the empire game entirely. Or are you too committed to this narrative to even consider that?
PS: I hate to be the Karen here, but can I speak to your manager? Because whoever sent you clearly didn’t prep you for this conversation
If China genuinely wanted to counter U.S. imperialism without mimicking it, it could focus on international cooperation instead of unilateral dominance.
From the article:
Job descriptions attached to the ads suggest the force will have a key focus on international cooperation, and on designing systems for new and experimental technology
btw, there’s a reason why China won’t cooperate with the US on space missions. It’s because the US banned cooperation with China.
I already laid out the alternative: reject the arms race altogether.
This is like the nuclear arms race. If you don’t have nukes, the US might decide to regime change you at any moment.
Your alternative is “let the US dominate them” as if that’s actually a real option.
Militarizing space isn’t defense; it’s escalation. That was the point from the start.
Doing it in response to another military power also militarizing space is obviously defensive. Again, is China supposed to just roll over for the US?
If China genuinely wanted to counter U.S. imperialism without mimicking it, it could focus on international cooperation instead of unilateral dominance.
They… are? That’s Belt and Road and the China Development Bank and BRICS.
Why are you assuming China seeks dominance anyway? It’s not like they kept making nukes until they had more than the US. This is likely the same - do just enough so the US leaves them alone and let’s them continue their path of peaceful development.
China isn’t reacting to some noble threat; it’s playing the same imperialist game, just under a different banner.
China is not an empire. In the modern era, the era of capitalism, imperialism is what capitalist states do once they reach the stage of monopoly capitalism. At that point they’ve run low of domestic exploitation options and so they reach out abroad for exploitation. After around WWII, colonialism mostly evolved into neocolonialism, where, instead of direct control of lands, they are given nominal independence, but are controlled indirectly through the export of capital, through comprador heads of state, and through the threat of violence. That’s what the imperial core mostly does these days.
China’s Belt and Road Initiative is neo-colonialism 101: bait nations with loans, then tighten the noose when they can’t pay up. That’s not defense; that’s exploitation.
I see, so not only do you never provide evidence for your claims, you also never read evidence provided to you.
You have provided no evidence to support your arguments, you’re just saying them, as usual.
This isn’t altruism
No one is saying that any of it is altruism. But just because it’s not altuism doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s exploitation. There is a third option.
And I’m not passing whatever that is through a translator.
Ah, the “third option” cop-out—where exploitation gets rebranded as benevolence. You’re right, it’s not altruism; it’s calculated self-interest dressed up in flowery rhetoric. Call it what you want, but when nations lose sovereignty over ports, railways, and resources, it’s not a partnership—it’s a leash.
And if you don’t recognize the last paragraph, just show it to your handler. They’ll know what it means.
Let’s say you’re right. Is China supposed to just sit back and let the US “space force” militarize space unopposed?
Your take assumes a binary choice: either militarize space or surrender it. That’s the same tired logic that justifies every arms race. Why not advocate for international treaties that prevent anyone from turning orbit into a battlefield? Or is that too inconvenient for those who profit from perpetual conflict?
China isn’t reacting to some noble threat; it’s playing the same imperialist game, just under a different banner. Both sides are carving up space for dominance, not defense. Pretending one is more justified than the other only fuels this dystopian spiral.
Instead of cheerleading for one empire over another, maybe question why humanity’s greatest frontier is being turned into yet another arena for power struggles. The stars deserve better than this petty tribalism.
We had that, it was signed in 1967, and then the US abandoned those commitments.
What is China supposed to do when a belligerent and violent empire starts violating its international agreements?
The 1967 treaty was a symbolic gesture at best, toothless in a world where empires operate above their own laws. Blaming one empire’s violations while excusing another’s opportunism is just ideological cosplay. China isn’t “forced” to militarize space—it’s choosing to, because power, not principle, drives these decisions.
If you think space should be a battleground for dueling empires, just say so. But don’t dress it up as some righteous response to injustice. The entire framework of international agreements collapses when every player uses violations as a pretext for their own ambitions.
The stars don’t belong to nations or corporations. They’re the last place we should let imperialist squabbles metastasize.
I’m pointing out that this is a material response to material conditions. Ideology is irrelevant. This is just realpolitik. Why should China leave itself defenses against the empire?
You’re the one swinging ideology around, but your peacenik ideology won’t protect China from inevitable US aggression.
The inevitability of US aggression doesn’t justify replicating its imperial playbook. If China’s actions are purely reactive, why do they mirror the same expansionist strategies? Militarizing space isn’t defense—it’s escalation, and dressing it up as “material conditions” is just a euphemism for empire-building.
Realpolitik isn’t a shield from critique; it’s an admission that power trumps principle. If you’re fine with that, own it. But don’t pretend it’s some noble resistance. The moment you excuse one empire’s overreach because of another’s, you’re endorsing the cycle of domination.
Peace doesn’t come from picking sides in an arms race. It comes from rejecting the premise that empires deserve the stars at all.
What do you want China to do? I’m sure you aren’t demanding they just let the US militarize space unopposed, so surely you have something else in mind.
Are we seriously back to this? I already laid out the alternative: reject the arms race altogether. You’re acting like I didn’t just dismantle the entire premise of “material conditions” as an excuse for empire-building. Militarizing space isn’t defense; it’s escalation. That was the point from the start.
But sure, let’s spell it out once again. If China genuinely wanted to counter U.S. imperialism without mimicking it, it could focus on international cooperation instead of unilateral dominance. Build alliances for peaceful space exploration, fund global scientific initiatives, and push for treaties banning weaponization of space. The goal shouldn’t be to outgun the U.S. but to make militarization itself politically untenable.
If you’re so invested in this circular argument, at least admit it’s not about solutions—it’s about justifying domination. You want to frame this as “realpolitik,” but all you’re doing is cheerleading for one empire over another. That’s not strategy; it’s surrender to the same tired logic that keeps humanity locked in cycles of conquest.
So, what should China do? Stop playing the empire game entirely. Or are you too committed to this narrative to even consider that?
PS: I hate to be the Karen here, but can I speak to your manager? Because whoever sent you clearly didn’t prep you for this conversation
From the article:
btw, there’s a reason why China won’t cooperate with the US on space missions. It’s because the US banned cooperation with China.
This is like the nuclear arms race. If you don’t have nukes, the US might decide to regime change you at any moment.
Your alternative is “let the US dominate them” as if that’s actually a real option.
Doing it in response to another military power also militarizing space is obviously defensive. Again, is China supposed to just roll over for the US?
They… are? That’s Belt and Road and the China Development Bank and BRICS.
Why are you assuming China seeks dominance anyway? It’s not like they kept making nukes until they had more than the US. This is likely the same - do just enough so the US leaves them alone and let’s them continue their path of peaceful development.
That doesn’t look like dominance to me.
China is not an empire. In the modern era, the era of capitalism, imperialism is what capitalist states do once they reach the stage of monopoly capitalism. At that point they’ve run low of domestic exploitation options and so they reach out abroad for exploitation. After around WWII, colonialism mostly evolved into neocolonialism, where, instead of direct control of lands, they are given nominal independence, but are controlled indirectly through the export of capital, through comprador heads of state, and through the threat of violence. That’s what the imperial core mostly does these days.
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That is not what China is doing. The claim that China is doing “debt trap diplomacy” is slanderous projection. The US has over 750 overseas bases, while China has one anti-piracy port in Djibouti.
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I see, so not only do you never provide evidence for your claims, you also never read evidence provided to you.
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You have provided no evidence to support your arguments, you’re just saying them, as usual.
No one is saying that any of it is altruism. But just because it’s not altuism doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s exploitation. There is a third option.
And I’m not passing whatever that is through a translator.
Ah, the “third option” cop-out—where exploitation gets rebranded as benevolence. You’re right, it’s not altruism; it’s calculated self-interest dressed up in flowery rhetoric. Call it what you want, but when nations lose sovereignty over ports, railways, and resources, it’s not a partnership—it’s a leash.
And if you don’t recognize the last paragraph, just show it to your handler. They’ll know what it means.
Again, no evidence. Just assertions that I guess you’re accustomed to people simply accepting as received wisdom.
Show this to your handler in Langley: Pound sand.