To avoid just being a pure cynic here: what have you seen thus far to indicate that the US plans to re-industrialize?
If Trump was doing tariffs AND a massive “New Deal” style government funding, new department-creating, infrastructure building, industry building bill (all of it) thus forcing US industry to be rebuilt, then I could see this. But he’s just throwing tariffs out there and, I dunno, hoping industry magically is rebuilt? As someone who lives in “the rust belt” it’s called that for a reason. That shit ain’t coming back without billions if not trillions of dollars of direct investment into rail, manufacturing plants, mining (iron, probably coal for steel. Unless modern steel can be made without it).
It just seems like Trump thinks you can use the stick and these places will come back on their own. I’m not sure if be understands the scale of what re-industrialization of the US looks like. He and the republicans would have to be willing to just dump infinite resources into the sector, not unlike China, give it a couple decades, and then it might work.
As far as Musk goes, I think he overplayed himself. I said before somewhere (maybe this site I don’t remember) that he’s clearly being used by Trump to take the blame. As he is doing now. He has no legitimacy or protections under the laws as they exist. As soon as Trump is tired of his toy Elon could be gone in an instant and considering he’s violated countless laws… I’m not sure what the dumbass is even trying to do in the end. He took on incredible personal risk for a potential, but highly unlikely, personal reward. I dunno I don’t have a crystal ball obviously, but I just don’t see things “being great” for Musk a couple years from now. His spiraling drug addiction mixed with his egotism and apparent inability to read rooms. I do agree he’s a much bigger “threat” (hate that word for such a loser) than libs are currently willing to accept.
If only a hero of the Mario’s Mansion, Shinzo Abe, variety were out there… it would really pave over this annoyance. Not solve anything, but definitely pave over one of the most annoying bumps.
The goal here is to make money for the oligarchs. Reindustrializing will just be the slogan for the public spending campaign. It’s gonna work the same way Halliburton was “rebuilding” Iraq.
It’s not that I doubt they want to do that. I just… Iraq is half the world away. No one in the US sees what was done there or not done (rebuilding-wise).
If they promise infrastructure in the US, and it’s clearly not happening next year, 2 years, 4 years from now, what happens?
I can’t be alone thinking there is a bottom for all this government graft, corruption, etc. At some point something has to give… I’m not saying it’s anywhere near there yet, but I just have this feeling that Musk is going to explode this is in his face because he’s kind of just a dumb guy. Dumber than most of the others. Someone in the background, probably Thiel also dumb but knows to kinda stfu a little, I can see absolutely grabbing all this stuff though.
As long as they keep the security forces on their side, then things are likely to go similarly to the way they did in Germany and Italy back in the 30s. The oligarchs will use cops and armed gangs to suppress labor organizing, bust unions, jail labor leaders, and so on. This could all backfire of course, but I do get the impression that this is where things are headed.
It’s going to be bloody. Population dramatically reduced. I believe they foresaw this and that’s why women are now house slave baby factories. They will be called the lucky ones, unless they bring back temple sex workers I guess.
We will just see the Crédit Mobiliar scandal again but just with the train line not even built in the end. It’s possible to money on this no matter if the end goals are or aren’t met.
“I’m not sure what the dumbass is even trying to do in the end.”
This might be a pedestrian opinion, but I wonder if being the world’s nominally richest person isn’t enough for him, or that he at least understands how ephemeral that status actually is. His wealth is largely based on speculations of the runaway success of his “revolutionary/visionary” businesses and “innovations,” and he may be coming down from that high. Seeing as he’s not going to actually colonize mars, the hyperloop is old news, and no one wants to buy a cybertruck, Twitter didn’t pan out super well, etc, he might feel that the jig is up. Getting a foot in the door of more traditional power structures by being Donald’s sycophant and the latest MAGA darling could be his attempt to concretize his “wealth” into actual power.
That’s rather hopeful
To avoid just being a pure cynic here: what have you seen thus far to indicate that the US plans to re-industrialize?
If Trump was doing tariffs AND a massive “New Deal” style government funding, new department-creating, infrastructure building, industry building bill (all of it) thus forcing US industry to be rebuilt, then I could see this. But he’s just throwing tariffs out there and, I dunno, hoping industry magically is rebuilt? As someone who lives in “the rust belt” it’s called that for a reason. That shit ain’t coming back without billions if not trillions of dollars of direct investment into rail, manufacturing plants, mining (iron, probably coal for steel. Unless modern steel can be made without it).
It just seems like Trump thinks you can use the stick and these places will come back on their own. I’m not sure if be understands the scale of what re-industrialization of the US looks like. He and the republicans would have to be willing to just dump infinite resources into the sector, not unlike China, give it a couple decades, and then it might work.
As far as Musk goes, I think he overplayed himself. I said before somewhere (maybe this site I don’t remember) that he’s clearly being used by Trump to take the blame. As he is doing now. He has no legitimacy or protections under the laws as they exist. As soon as Trump is tired of his toy Elon could be gone in an instant and considering he’s violated countless laws… I’m not sure what the dumbass is even trying to do in the end. He took on incredible personal risk for a potential, but highly unlikely, personal reward. I dunno I don’t have a crystal ball obviously, but I just don’t see things “being great” for Musk a couple years from now. His spiraling drug addiction mixed with his egotism and apparent inability to read rooms. I do agree he’s a much bigger “threat” (hate that word for such a loser) than libs are currently willing to accept.
If only a hero of the Mario’s Mansion, Shinzo Abe, variety were out there… it would really pave over this annoyance. Not solve anything, but definitely pave over one of the most annoying bumps.
The goal here is to make money for the oligarchs. Reindustrializing will just be the slogan for the public spending campaign. It’s gonna work the same way Halliburton was “rebuilding” Iraq.
It’s not that I doubt they want to do that. I just… Iraq is half the world away. No one in the US sees what was done there or not done (rebuilding-wise).
If they promise infrastructure in the US, and it’s clearly not happening next year, 2 years, 4 years from now, what happens?
I can’t be alone thinking there is a bottom for all this government graft, corruption, etc. At some point something has to give… I’m not saying it’s anywhere near there yet, but I just have this feeling that Musk is going to explode this is in his face because he’s kind of just a dumb guy. Dumber than most of the others. Someone in the background, probably Thiel also dumb but knows to kinda stfu a little, I can see absolutely grabbing all this stuff though.
As long as they keep the security forces on their side, then things are likely to go similarly to the way they did in Germany and Italy back in the 30s. The oligarchs will use cops and armed gangs to suppress labor organizing, bust unions, jail labor leaders, and so on. This could all backfire of course, but I do get the impression that this is where things are headed.
It’s going to be bloody. Population dramatically reduced. I believe they foresaw this and that’s why women are now house slave baby factories. They will be called the lucky ones, unless they bring back temple sex workers I guess.
Remember when Congress gave telecom companies billions of dollars for new internet infrastructure?
We will just see the Crédit Mobiliar scandal again but just with the train line not even built in the end. It’s possible to money on this no matter if the end goals are or aren’t met.
“I’m not sure what the dumbass is even trying to do in the end.”
This might be a pedestrian opinion, but I wonder if being the world’s nominally richest person isn’t enough for him, or that he at least understands how ephemeral that status actually is. His wealth is largely based on speculations of the runaway success of his “revolutionary/visionary” businesses and “innovations,” and he may be coming down from that high. Seeing as he’s not going to actually colonize mars, the hyperloop is old news, and no one wants to buy a cybertruck, Twitter didn’t pan out super well, etc, he might feel that the jig is up. Getting a foot in the door of more traditional power structures by being Donald’s sycophant and the latest MAGA darling could be his attempt to concretize his “wealth” into actual power.