President in effect endorses ethnic cleansing of territory before hosting meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu

Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.

Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.

Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”

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  • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 hours ago

    Rewrite your comment except make it about “the Jews” re: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. How does it sound when you frame it that way?

    • tankfox@midwest.socialEnglish
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      2 hours ago

      So now you’re trying to frame Oct 7th as a defensive action against an invading force? This shit is why you don’t get support from people who aren’t myopically pro-palestine.

      • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 hours ago

        It’s the international consensus that Palestine is under military occupation from “Israel”. Military action against occupation is an enshrined right under international law. The exception of course is attacks against civilians - which are not considered legal, hence the ICC arrest warrants being for both Netanyahu/Gallant, and Hamas leaders - but also which didn’t solely characterize the actions on Oct. 7. That is the actual, nuance, objective description of Oct. 7. No analogy is perfect. The Jewish militants in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were likely signficantly more targeted against Nazi soldiers and paramilitaries, but at the same time, they also hadn’t been stuck in the Warsaw Ghetto for a staggering 56 years, under a choking blockade since 2006.

        • tankfox@midwest.socialEnglish
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          1 hour ago

          So you made a stupid statement, and when I call you out you shuffle the goalposts around. Yes, this is why you outside your circle you’re just an angry buzzing noise.

            • tankfox@midwest.socialEnglish
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              49 minutes ago

              I asked what they thought the outcome of Oct 7th was going to be, and you said ‘but what if it was like the Warsaw Uprising? would you still say that?’ And the answer is no, because the situations are not similar. You tried to rationalize Gaza as a ghetto being invaded by the SS and that’s why they had to attack civilians and take civilian hostages on Oct 7th. I tried to explain that I reject you rationalization, but I see we’re straying very far away from ‘isreal bad’ so I am not surprised you’re losing track of the conversation

              A big problem for me is that I’m experiencing ‘respect whiplash’, as I used to be very pro-palestine and very against the isreal settlements, then Oct 7 happen and I got to watch live as Palestinians fed grenades into a civilian bunker until everyone inside was dead. Do you have any idea how hard it is to come back from that?

              • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                47 minutes ago

                The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you’re equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear? The genocidal demonization of an ETHNIC GROUP based on cherry-picked incidents was the problematic thinking I was drawing attention to. The analogy does also apply in general to militant uprisings by an oppressed people against their oppressors, with the caveats that I already mentioned.

                You tried to rationalize Gaza as a ghetto being invaded by the SS and that’s why they had to attack civilians and take civilian hostages on Oct 7th.

                I very literally not did say that, and made a point to say attacking civilians is illegal under international law. I REALLY dislike people inferring things from my comments that are not there.

                • tankfox@midwest.socialEnglish
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                  25 minutes ago

                  Rewrite your comment except make it about “the Jews” re: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. How does it sound when you frame it that way?

                  The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you’re equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear?

                  Yes, this is not clear. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is an invalid comparison to Oct 7th, and your further attempts to compare the two fall flat and in fact manage to further vilify Hamas and Gaza who have been attempting to ignite this very war for the majority of my adult life by shooting an unending barrage of rockets and mortars at civilian targets while using their countrymen as willing human shields

                  • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                    19 minutes ago

                    It is in fact not invalid. Hamas’s rockets have been untargeted with next to zero actual civilian casualties, the purpose is to financially exhaust the “Iron Dome” system. And it’s completely dishonest to frame it as “starting” a war, when the Occupied Palestinian territories, including Gaza, are under “Israeli” occupation per the definitions under international law (don’t give me that “they took out their settlements in 2005” crap either).