President in effect endorses ethnic cleansing of territory before hosting meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu

Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.

Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.

Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”

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  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    11 hours ago

    So, did you just get scared on January 20th?

    I got more terrified on January 20th (or rather, on November 6th), and anyone who didn’t isn’t paying attention.

    Things are going to get worse for all of us. Oppression will intensify. Hard fought victories will evaporate. And genocide is very much on the menu for these fascist fucks. So I’ll thank you to not cretinize over how it can’t possibly get any worse than it was. It can. It will. And anyone who’s been alive long enough to vote should know that it can very much be worse than it was for minorities in 20-fucking-24.

    Buckle up. We’re in for a ride, whether you realize that or not. Me, I’m going over suicide plans I thought I long had the license to cast aside; only now instead of mental illness driving me to consider them, it’s “What to do if things go well and truly south considering the government we have in power and my position relative to it?”

    Im hardly “celebrating it”… I’m acknowledging that it actually happens here.

    Oh, you’re ‘acknowledging’ it by downplaying developing events, cool. Like talking about how the SPD wasn’t stopping the rampant antisemitism in Weimar Germany, so the oncoming Nazi genocide doesn’t fucking matter. “It was always a genocide, now it’s just more naked!” you’ll cry, as they herd us into the literal fucking gas chambers.

    • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
      12·
      11 hours ago

      They aren’t herding me anywhere, without a fight.

      That’s why we arm ourselves, and train, and organize.

      And it’s been getting worse for everyone since like… 1976 on so?

      Like did you forget the preventable AIDS epidemic pushed by Reagan? The 1993 Crime Bill that tossed thousands or Black folk into prison? Crack cocaine introduced to our communities by the US government? Mass arrests of people protesting for racial justice? Gitmo? 1985 MOVE bombing? Indigenous Boarding Schools?

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        10 hours ago

        They aren’t herding me anywhere, without a fight.

        Spoken like a true warrior. /s

        That’s why we arm ourselves, and train, and organize.

        The reason why actual revolutionaries arm and train and organize is for the prospect of action striking back against the institutions of power. Not because it’ll save any individual one of them. Fuck, being more likely to die is one of the first things revolutionaries against oppressive governments have to get through their heads. And heroic shootouts with the military for all the world to see are not how things usually go. You get black-fucking-bagged on your way back from the grocery store.

        And it’s been getting worse for everyone since like… 1976 on so?

        Jesus fucking Christ.

        Like did you forget the preventable AIDS epidemic pushed by Reagan? The 1993 Crime Bill that tossed thousands or Black folk into prison? Crack cocaine introduced to our communities by the US government? Mass arrests of people protesting for racial justice? Gitmo? 1985 MOVE bombing? Indigenous Boarding Schools?

        I don’t even know what to say to this. Even a cursory knowledge of US history would show that, gruesome as that is, that’s not even close to the worst it’s been; that’s not even the worst it’s been in the second half of the 20th century alone. That you wrap things up with indigenous boarding schools, which had their death knell as a large-scale institution in the 70s and 80s, only heightens how bizarre this is.

        • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
          11·
          10 hours ago

          Sigh. We fight for those on the left and right of us.

          If it was just for me, then why would I suggest training, arming AND organizing?

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            10 hours ago

            If it was just for me, then why would I suggest training, arming AND organizing?

            Safety in numbers is a common delusion.

            If it’s not for you, why the fuck did you bring it up as part of “Well, they won’t take ME without a fight!” macho posturing?

            They aren’t herding me anywhere, without a fight.

            That’s why we arm ourselves, and train, and organize.

            That’s you, right there.

            • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
              11·
              10 hours ago

              So, do you suggest going without a fight? Do you not understand how community defense works?

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                10 hours ago

                So, do you suggest going without a fight? Do you not understand how community defense works?

                Jesus fucking Christ.

                You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.

                If you and your friends aren’t just LARPing in the same fucking way that “COME AND TAKE THEM” right-wing chuds do when they stroke their barrels over the prospect of fighting off a tyrannical government? That’s great. But if so, all of you should understand that you aren’t gambling that you’ll win your individual fight with the fascists - you’re gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight. And if you’re smart, you’re hoping that there won’t be one - because irregular forces have the greatest success when there isn’t a direct confrontation.

                The chances are pretty fucking slim that you’re going to be manning the trenches on a frontline between Good and Evil. The chances are pretty fucking slim that any safehouse you have is going to last more than ten minutes once discovered by government drones. Most days, in actual asymmetric warfare, your primary concern is the government not noticing you. Because if they do notice you, that’s fucking it. And the fewer scruples the oppressive government has, the less chance you’ll have to fight back. If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they’re going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and “Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you’re on guard duty at the safe house” is not fucking likely to be the result.

                If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim. If they notice you, chances are you’ll be in line for the camps with the rest of us, and no amount of crowing about how they’d never take YOU without a fight will mean a goddamn fig, and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.

                • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  11·
                  9 hours ago

                  You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.

                  Oh, you mean the Nazi regime where anarchists self-organized and fought the Nazis while everyone else was inviting the Nazis to the Olympics? Or the times that anarchists showed up to put a beat down on Nazis doing a dog and pony show at Madison Square?

                  But if so, all of you should understand that you aren’t gambling that you’ll win your individual fight with the fascists - you’re gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight.

                  That’s not a gamble. We know a fight is coming. We just are unsure of when it will start. We’re preparing for that.

                  If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they’re going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and “Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you’re on guard duty at the safe house” is not fucking likely to be the result.

                  We’ve been dealing with that for years already… I mean, how do you think Anarchists ended up in prison in the US already?

                  If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim.

                  We only need to be lucky once. They need to be lucky every single time.

                  and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.

                  It’s hardly “macho bullshit”… But go on projecting. What’s your plan, btw? Capitulate at the soonest chance?

                  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    2 hours ago

                    Oh, you mean the Nazi regime where anarchists self-organized and fought the Nazis while everyone else was inviting the Nazis to the Olympics? Or the times that anarchists showed up to put a beat down on Nazis doing a dog and pony show at Madison Square?

                    The utter lack of connection to reality here is astounding. Anarchists were not a large part of the resistance to the Nazis, and the Nazi rally in Madison Square was confronted by US veterans and Trotskyists.

                    We’ve been dealing with that for years already… I mean, how do you think Anarchists ended up in prison in the US already?

                    Jesus fucking Christ.

                    We only need to be lucky once. They need to be lucky every single time.

                    … what.

                    It’s hardly “macho bullshit”…

                    It’s empty macho bullshit. You’re no different than the “No Step On Snek” reich-wingers in your relation to reality. Have fun LARPing.