Sounds like they could easily solve this problem by making Hakeem Jeffries speaker.
Honestly, it could be a real power move for some blue state republicans to flip parties. If they could pull a Reagan and say that the Republican Party has changed but they haven’t, they could take both the democratic voters and centrist republicans while losing the MAGAs, and still carry their district.
That would be something for the history books.
I doubt they would be trusted at this point. Too many burnt bridges in the MAGA lifetime. They are on life support.
They don’t even have to flip outright to Democrats, they could simply announce they are now Independent. They are probably getting a Primary challenger regardless, and maybe Democrats pay back the favor by forgetting to run a candidate in that district.
What share of Republican voters are flexible enough to decide to vote for the Democrats just so they don’t support the Trump/MAGA movement? Because these people would need need to decide to vote Republican come next election and US electors seem to be very entrenched in their support for one party or the other, no matter what…
There’s always more people to peel off, but I think a lot of the centrist republicans have already switched. Anecdotally, my dad, a lifelong republican, chose not to vote in 2016, and voted for Biden in 2020. I don’t see a lot of Trump voters switching over after voting for him twice, but maybe some of the moderates who held their votes will decide to vote for democrats in the future
It could, but brass tacks: Who are these people? I mean which Reps could survive jumping ship here with their political careers intact? I’m genuinely curious because I love the idea. I just don’t see it for the same reason I don’t see a single Dem flipping to get a more center Republican speaker.
If you defect, you basically have to swap parties entirely, because you’re not just signing up for the Speaker. You also have to expect to protect him or her from the next motion to vacate. And the next. So in for a penny, in for a pound.
This is the same reason it takes a majority to elect the Speaker in the first place: Otherwise you have a House with a Speaker that still can’t actually govern.
In my opinion there’s no chance of that happening. The next speaker will definitely be a republican.
I’m just saying, it’s an easy solution. Only takes a few Republican votes.
McCarthy was kicked out for working with Democrats to prevent the government shutdown.
You’re grossly underestimating the RINO / propaganda that causes Republicans to knife each other in the back and demand loyalty.
It is pretty cool though to see more Republicans stand up to Jim Jordan though, especially when that news came out about the threatening text messages some Republican Rep’s wives got about their spouses vote. I would love to see more Republicans break off and pick somebody else other than Jordan. He is the absolute fucking worst and he’s a maga Republican 100%. I mean if you’re looking for somebody who looks strong to Republicans, Jim Jordan is not the choice. He looks like a whiny, sniveling bitch.
But sadly, I absolutely expect them all to fall in line behind Jordan after several pointless rounds of votes. Because they’re all cowards.
The image you gave doesn’t load for me.
Surely their long term best interests is to kick the MAGA caucus out of the party, but I guess we’re just driving full steam into fascism instesd
I think this gets things backwards. MAGA is the party as far as I can see. Trump has dominant support in the primaries. So who is kicking out whom? Even the non-freedom caucus members have to be MAGA-lite.
MAGA is the greatest base of voters. The neocons have been defeated so what do you want to do about it? And the religious right have gone full MAGA as well. Libertarians are also Maga-like (anti-Ukraine at least) so I’m not entirely sure who these Republicans are supposed to be impressing in their party by working with a Democrat.
That’s analogous to a conservative commentor saying, “an easy solution would be a few Democrats voting for Jordan.” You and I know that’s about as likely as Hillary stumping for Trump though.
What if he switched parties long enough to be elected and switched back? That’s allowed per their playbook. Right?
There are Republicans where they were able to win their seat but Biden won the general. They might be feeling purple.
Purple? Definitely but feeling Blue? I don’t think so. I think it’s increasingly likely that we could see a republican & Blue dog supported speaker but in my opinion it’ll be a republican with some minority party rights. I can’t see Jefferies getting the gavel this time around. Hopefully 2024 gives it to him.
I agree with you but I’ll maintain my hopium.
I’m maintaining with you.
Hopium 2024
Well, Christler it is.
Even tactically it would be the smart move for the Republicans.
If nothing gets done, they can blame the Democratic speaker, if things get passed the wingnuts don’t like, they can blame it on the Democratic speaker, meanwhile, the republicans from the slightly more swingy states get creds with more moderate voters, when they vote sensibly.
But nooo, Republicans can only stand either having it all or blocking it all.
Good points, but any Republican who votes for a Democrat would see the entirety of the MAGA base vote against them. Hell, McCarthy got ousted for just negotiating with Democrats to avoid a shutdown. None of them are going to vote for Jeffries.
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Jordan’s loss is also a historic first
Jordan’s 199 votes mark the first time since 1923 that the majority nominee got less than 200 votes.
- Ha ha
Exactly 100 years, impressive
Why stop at breaking that record? Let’s keep going.
Another fun record, tallying up all the votes he’s received during McCarthy‘s 15 rounds and the most recent votes, Hakeem Jeffries now has accumulated the most lifetime votes for speaker in history.
I have to say. I never understood why the grandmother in “Mars Attacks” laughed so hard when they “Blew up Congress”.
Now I do.
ACK ACK ACK ACK!
I still feel the same today after a third ❌ vote.
They get like $1,300/day for this?
Eat shit, Gym Jordan!
What a silly clown show. I sure hope the Democrats can retake the House; the cons are not fit to lead a popsicle stand.
I am hopeful that this will hasten the breakaway of the far right from the republican party into a completely new 3rd party. It seems like this would only help dems.
It would only help dems, which is why it’s unlikely. Best thing we can hope for is the republican party is pushed further right, which leads to the democrats absorbing even more center-right politicians, and then we have a few decades of milquetoast Democratic dominance until something big changes the dynamic.
At this point the only way out of this is for independents to not vote for Republicans but vote for Democrats instead.
At the moment there are no independent representatives in the House. We have two vacancies, but it’s one Democrat and one Republican.
If you mean in the long run, at the next election, sure; but we can’t wait that long for this mess to be sorted out.
At the moment there are no independent representatives in the House.
Actually, I was speaking about independent voters, not members of the House or Senate.
Thank you, Rep. Gaetz, for the opportunity to see the GOP in a lose-lose situation.
The circus continues 🤡
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Kek. The US Republican can’t stop shooting itself in the foot, even as its Israeli ally is crying for help. If I am Netanyahu, I’ll get new allies.
Don’t think Israel needs any help.
… except for the annual aid they already get from the US?
What % of Israel’s budget do you think the US gives them?
Of that % how much do you think is tied to purchases of American weapons?
Apparently the US gives military grants that amount to about 16% of Israel’s total military budget. That’s kind of a lot, if I’m reading it correctly.
IIRC it’s a bit less than that, something like 3b of 36b.
To allow the US easy access to intelligence, operational bases and feeding the military industrial complex, that’s really not a ton of cash for the US…
In the massacre? No. In general? Its kinda their meal ticket
It’s absurd that we require a majority vote for house speaker. It should be as simple as whoever gets the most votes. Or you have to vote for A or B for your vote to even be counted. None of this “present” nonsense.
212 vs 199, ok Hakeem Jeffries wins.
Plurality voting is one of the best systems if your goal is to elect someone that most people don’t want.
Most likely, this would make the Republicans vote for whoever their candidate is, rather than a minority Democrat winner.
Not saying I disagree with you per se. I had the same thought when reading this news.
The current system was probably designed to promote compromise, even across party lines. But we all know how well that’s working out these days.
This is such a bad idea. Do you think people would vote the exact same way if this was how it works instead?
That’d be a waste of time. The Republicans would use their majority to immediately dismiss him.
perhaps a period of immunity then. Prime Ministers in the UK get a year of immunity if they win a no confidence vote
The speaker isn’t a job laid out in law other than being listed as 3rd in succession. It exists at the acceptance of some rules adopted by a majority of the house. Those rules could just as well not include any speaker, it could call for everyone to dress as a banana on Tuesday.
That implies your government is functioning as it is meant to. Here in the US, it’s not. It’s just not.
Majority vote would lead to even more deadlocks and partisanship
Gymbo is a winner in the meme game. His pissed off face in the first loss will be used for a meme template for the next decade.
What a piss baby. Just like Greg Abbott
My personal favorite picture from that fiasco was AOC’s ear-to-ear mischevious grin.
Link to image? I can’t seem to find it.
Those are some sour ass looking grapes.
That Trump endorsement sure is powerful.
14 more to go to break McCarthy’s record.
This time they don’t have the shitlicking wannabe propaganda minister Cucker Tarlson weighing in and putting his thumb on the scale in favor of the Qult45 candidate.
Oh wow, I’d forgotten all about that guy
