Since Trump, I’m finding the Lemmy.world experience to be increasingly akin to an echo chamber and it’s quite frankly starting to bore me. (Inb4, I’m a left winger and I don’t like Trump, but I’m much more interested in a good spirited debate or novel points of view than I am in Orange man bad Nazi circle jerks)

If I wanted the same repetitive comments to be upvoted and any different opinion at all to be downvoted and even blocked/banned, I’d have just stayed on Reddit.

Are there any instances where different, opposing and novel points of view are celebrated and debated rather than simply derided and downvoted?

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    > So, what you’re actually saying you’d rather live under capitalism because it’s not impacting your freedom

    that’s wrong, I belive that I have more freedom in (unregulated) capitalism that’s not state backed, than in a one party system without democratic principles

    > and you don’t care about others.

    that’s not true, I want others to be as free as I am

    > Meanwhile, claiming that western Germany was economically stronger than the USSR is another example of you being divorced from reality.

    you’re literally making this up, I sayed that western germany was ALMOST as economicaly strong as the entire ussr, which is true

    > It’s the same sort of logic people applied to modern Russia comparing its GDP to Italy. Now, it turns out Russian industrial production is higher than all of the west combined.

    first source I found: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Industry

    this says something completely different

    > This is how capitalism rots people brains, they start thinking imaginary numbers are more important than material reality.

    so at first: you were wrong, but you also were double wrong, because even if russia did produce more than the US there’s still the question of what to be made and for whom, russia probably produces more war assets rn, and that isn’t necessarily a good thing, since they now can produce less of stuff the people actually need (that statement itself wouldn’t be true if the russian economy was growing and they were exporting their war assets, but the opposite is the case, they produce the war assets to burn them on the battlefield and their economy also isn’t looking good)

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      I belive that I have more freedom in (unregulated) capitalism that’s not state backed

      All capitalism is state backed, by definition.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      that’s wrong, I belive that I have more freedom in (unregulated) capitalism that’s not state backed, than in a one party system without democratic principles

      Yet, you do not believe in effective ways of organizing and actually challenging the system. So, really you believe in perpetuating the system while paying lip service to the idea of change.

      that’s not true, I want others to be as free as I am

      You clearly don’t since you reject practical methods that have been proven that free people from capitalism.

      you’re literally making this up, I sayed that western germany was ALMOST as economicaly strong as the entire ussr, which is true

      It’s not true, and never has been true in any meaningful sense.

      this says something completely different

      and yet https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

      that statement itself wouldn’t be true if the russian economy was growing and they were exporting their war assets, but the opposite is the case, they produce the war assets to burn them on the battlefield and their economy also isn’t looking good

      Meanwhile in the real world, Russian economy is booming, and the World Bank just reclassified Russia as a high income country https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/opendata/world-bank-country-classifications-by-income-level-for-2024-2025

      The IMF forecasts that Russian economy is set to grow faster than all the western economies https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/russia-forecast-to-grow-faster-than-advanced-economies-in-2024-imf.html

      Thanks for providing further evidence of you being utterly divorced from reality.