• MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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      They all do the fascist salute. The Nazis took it from the Italian fascists. If the fascist isn’t German, trying to create a master race (the nazis were not the master race they were supposed to create it), or attempting to institute a 1000 year reich then they are not Nazis.

      Most fascists are not Nazis, that doesn’t make them better.

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        Fascist/Nazi are interchangeable in American culture.

        You’re wasting your time arguing this pointless detail.

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          Cool, Americans don’t get their own definitions for philosophies. It’s frustrating how willing people are to defend this idea that they should.

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            Why would it matter if we got our own definition? The original Nazis are within living memory. Their symbols are within living memory. So when someone performs those symbols while advocating for many of the same tenets of that ideology, we just call it by the same name.

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              we already do that with “Liberal” and it makes it hard to have an informed conversation with other non-American English speakers.

              Another reason is because fascists who are not Nazis can highlight the differences between them and the big bad Nazis. This causes people to forgive and underestimate fascism. The USA just installed a fascist administration which I believe is partly due to the fact that too many already identify fascism as only being Nazis when the Spanish fascists weren’t much better but were more successful because it wasn’t as obvious.

              We don’t need to encourage more ignorance.

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        Elon and Trump (nee Drumpf) are both very direct German descendants.

        Elon wants to repopulate a planet with his DNA specifically. Trump wants to fuck his own blonde, white, daughter.

        If it talks like a fascist, is German, and wants its DNA spread around, and then does a Nazi salute, I think it’s time to call a spade a spade, or more accurately, a Nazi.

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          10 hours ago

          You’re stretching quite hard. Neither man is German. They are fascists not Nazis. We don’t need to be ignorant as to which flavor of fascism we are facing

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        Right, I get what you’re saying. But words and affiliations change over time and can get appropriated by other parties. Neonazis for example. They’re all fascists and I’m positive Elon Musk emulated Hitler, for whatever reason.

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          22 hours ago

          All Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are nazis much like communists are leftists but not all leftists are communists.