I getcha. Even Champaign/Urbana is two very different places but I liked them each in their own way I feel they each complimented each other. All the specific places you mention though are basically that near saint louis and south of that I would attribute to the south of the state thing or the saint louis thing. Don’t get me wrong I like saint louis but illinois is basically the bad side of saint louis and its basically a small bit around that city. then that southern part of illinois you pretty much draw an east west line from the center of saint louis north/south and its south of that. Its funny because when on the road the highway takes a deep dive down and I swear you start hearing that music from deliverance.
I can’t quote your text on the android app I’m using, but talking about the deliverance music - you’re not wrong lol.
I’ve also spent a lot of time in rural places, not just big cities. And there are some amazing and wonderful hillbillies/rednecks whatever they call themselves. So welcoming and will spend half their day helping you out asking nothing in return. There are also some really terrible people in those nowhere swamps and hills. You don’t want to be stuck needing help with the wrong people around. [deliverance music continues]
Oh one more thing, I mostly agree about the places I worked being the bad side of St. Louis. Except Alton. Alton is a nice little town and has it’s own vibe. I haven’t been there in quite a few years but if it hasn’t gone way downhill it’s a nice place.
oh yeah and particularly with illinois there are some wonderful public spaces. Met this wonderful couple who managed the camping spots but like some ramshackle “motels” were scary as fuck.
I camp almost every time I have 48 hours away from work so if you have a campground recommendation I’d love to hear it. I’m currently in Cincinnati so all I have to do is get across the barren landscape of Indiana to get there.
Yeah now I’m generalizing another state. I think Indiana has really weird laws and is mostly boring but Indianapolis has a ton of energy. I go there for concerts pretty often. Geographically the only interesting places are near Lake Michigan and in the very south along the Ohio river where there are some hills. Clifty Falls is beautiful but the campground isn’t great. The town next to it - Madison, it’s like out of a movie, and one of the few places in that part of the state where both progressives and conservatives might feel very comfortable.
Its been awhile but I think we went to Shawnee National Forest back then. certainly starved rock is neat but that is way north. I was delaying while I texted my brother about this place he brings his kids which I thought might tempt your wife as it is a bit like glamping but he is not responding fast enough. Let me know if you would like to know as I will respond later once he does but otherwise I will blow it off.
Yeah I’d like to know if you hear back. I’ve only had a short hike in the Shawnee National Forest and I got about six ticks on me. It was high tick season and not nearly my worst tick experience. I got hundreds somewhere in southern Missouri, if I looked at a map I could probably figure out where but it’s kind of the opposite of a recommendation. Just avoid the hills of southern Missouri during tick season.
one more thing he mentioned its more expensive in season so if you go fall or spring you can get better prices and decent weather. Its open all winter for the cabins that have heat. If its important to make a fire then also check if the particular cabin supports it. You could of course do the spaces but I doubt your wife would be onboard at that point.
Yeah its like a bog down there. My brother got back and its more mid state near peoria. Its got animals and as I said some more almost glamping options with bathrooms and kitchens and one even has a private dock. Prices are not bad but if you go he mentioned the membership has a discount where if you go enough days its worth it enough for the discount it gives. https://wildlifeprairiepark.org/lodging/accommodations
I getcha. Even Champaign/Urbana is two very different places but I liked them each in their own way I feel they each complimented each other. All the specific places you mention though are basically that near saint louis and south of that I would attribute to the south of the state thing or the saint louis thing. Don’t get me wrong I like saint louis but illinois is basically the bad side of saint louis and its basically a small bit around that city. then that southern part of illinois you pretty much draw an east west line from the center of saint louis north/south and its south of that. Its funny because when on the road the highway takes a deep dive down and I swear you start hearing that music from deliverance.
I can’t quote your text on the android app I’m using, but talking about the deliverance music - you’re not wrong lol.
I’ve also spent a lot of time in rural places, not just big cities. And there are some amazing and wonderful hillbillies/rednecks whatever they call themselves. So welcoming and will spend half their day helping you out asking nothing in return. There are also some really terrible people in those nowhere swamps and hills. You don’t want to be stuck needing help with the wrong people around. [deliverance music continues]
Oh one more thing, I mostly agree about the places I worked being the bad side of St. Louis. Except Alton. Alton is a nice little town and has it’s own vibe. I haven’t been there in quite a few years but if it hasn’t gone way downhill it’s a nice place.
oh yeah and particularly with illinois there are some wonderful public spaces. Met this wonderful couple who managed the camping spots but like some ramshackle “motels” were scary as fuck.
I camp almost every time I have 48 hours away from work so if you have a campground recommendation I’d love to hear it. I’m currently in Cincinnati so all I have to do is get across the barren landscape of Indiana to get there.
Yeah now I’m generalizing another state. I think Indiana has really weird laws and is mostly boring but Indianapolis has a ton of energy. I go there for concerts pretty often. Geographically the only interesting places are near Lake Michigan and in the very south along the Ohio river where there are some hills. Clifty Falls is beautiful but the campground isn’t great. The town next to it - Madison, it’s like out of a movie, and one of the few places in that part of the state where both progressives and conservatives might feel very comfortable.
Its been awhile but I think we went to Shawnee National Forest back then. certainly starved rock is neat but that is way north. I was delaying while I texted my brother about this place he brings his kids which I thought might tempt your wife as it is a bit like glamping but he is not responding fast enough. Let me know if you would like to know as I will respond later once he does but otherwise I will blow it off.
Yeah I’d like to know if you hear back. I’ve only had a short hike in the Shawnee National Forest and I got about six ticks on me. It was high tick season and not nearly my worst tick experience. I got hundreds somewhere in southern Missouri, if I looked at a map I could probably figure out where but it’s kind of the opposite of a recommendation. Just avoid the hills of southern Missouri during tick season.
one more thing he mentioned its more expensive in season so if you go fall or spring you can get better prices and decent weather. Its open all winter for the cabins that have heat. If its important to make a fire then also check if the particular cabin supports it. You could of course do the spaces but I doubt your wife would be onboard at that point.
Yeah its like a bog down there. My brother got back and its more mid state near peoria. Its got animals and as I said some more almost glamping options with bathrooms and kitchens and one even has a private dock. Prices are not bad but if you go he mentioned the membership has a discount where if you go enough days its worth it enough for the discount it gives. https://wildlifeprairiepark.org/lodging/accommodations